# Should Hawaii look for Ann Soetoro's delivery records? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 28, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637 "2010-12-28T19:54:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/201 "2010-12-31T15:42:32Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Mr. McCain was born in the hospital serving Coco Solo Naval Air Station, in the present Republic of Panama. I have seen reputable non-agenda-driven websites state that it was leased land adjacent to but not included in the Canal Zone; **Colibri** stated in a previous thread that CSNAS was within the CZ. So _as a nitpick_ it’s possible though unlikely your assertion is incorrect – I’m more inclined to believe a reliable scientist/moderator living within 100 miles of the site over a random website, no matter how reliable it seems. But in either case it does not matter to Mr. McCain’s eligibility – he has _jus sanguinis_ citizenship from being the child of two U.S. citizens outside the geographic bounds of the U.S. on government business – i.e., because they were in the military. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/202 "2011-01-01T13:28:24Z")
Forgive me if its up there somewhere … Does Obama have the ability to obtain or release certain documents that have not been to this point? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/203 "2011-01-01T13:39:27Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Forgive me if its up there somewhere … > > Does Obama have the ability to obtain or release certain documents that have not been to this point? His school records-almost certainly, his mother’s medical or hospital-no, original birth certificate-no(state law). Of course, what would be the point? It just gives the nutters recognition and the goalposts get moved again. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/204 "2011-01-01T14:16:19Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Mr. McCain has _jus sanguinis_ citizenship. Well, la-de-dah! Barack Obama’s citizenship also comes with a latin guarantee: _Natus in Civitatibus Foederatis Americae_ > [@What\_the](#): > > Does Obama have the ability to obtain or release certain documents that have not been to this point? Yes he does; and No, he hasn’t. His letter to Santa as a 7-year old? Perhaps he _didn’t_ ask for a Barbie doll so he could drive nails through her honkie-ass brain, but how can we really be sure of that if he doesn’t release it? His first love letter to Michelle, the ape-woman? If it’s _not_ a blueprint for Marxist revolution, why are they afraid to publish it? Didn’t it warm your heart when the patriotic Army physician colonel refused to treat the wounded in Iraq until the birth certificate is produced? I, for one, am not paying income taxes until that letter to Santa is produced, and it had better have 1968 notarization too, since even with paper and ink dating, this kind of people is not above displaying a less evil letter from some other “Barry.” ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/205 "2011-01-01T18:13:59Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Well, la-de-dah! Barack Obama’s citizenship also comes with a latin guarantee: _Natus in Civitatibus Foederatis Americae_ Or, more simply, _jus soli_. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/206 "2011-01-02T03:12:35Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > But in either case it does not matter to Mr. McCain’s eligibility – he has _jus sanguinis_ citizenship from being the child of two U.S. citizens outside the geographic bounds of the U.S. on government business – i.e., because they were in the military. It would still apply, I believe, if they had not been on government business of any kind. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/207 "2011-01-03T02:29:29Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > For those who appear to think that the birthers simply need to be convinced by the right piece of paper of their error, I predict right now that in the next session of Congress, the Republican-majority House will have at least one hearing on this subject. There’s no way they can ignore their birther base completely. And some of the Republican Reps seem to be sincere birthers themselves. > > So this bullshit is going to be officially accorded some respect in at least the committee rooms of our illustrious Congress. Gaaah… Our illustrious Congress has entertained far more harmful bullshit before, like HUAC, both Red Scares, and various episodes of anti-immigrant nonsense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637.md?page=10)