# Should Hawaii look for Ann Soetoro's delivery records? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 28, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637 "2010-12-28T19:54:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/121 "2010-12-30T17:00:02Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > You obviously do not understand my post at all. > > In fact, I said just the OPPOSITE of your misrepresentation of me. The goalposts would NOT be moved if obama made public his birth certificate, Hey Susanann? Hey..hey.. remember when y’all birthers cried and cried that Obama’s birth certificate should be made public?! Remember that? Remember how it was made public? Remember that? Then do you remember when birthers all got into a frenzy saying they wanted different forms? Remember that? Oh..oh, oh! Remember how many of you birthers decided y’all were ‘Photoshop Experts’ and started making all kinds of webpages and blogposts ‘proving’ the posted birth certificate was ‘fake’ for all kinds of ‘obvious’ reasons? Remember _that?!_ Because we sure do. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/122 "2010-12-30T17:01:27Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > The goalposts would NOT be moved if obama made public his birth certificate, hospital records, school and college records, passports and visas, selective service records, social security records, marriage/divorce records, health records, etc. Even if “a few” of his history records really did come up missing after instructing the schools and various government agencies to release everything, then everyone would accept it and move on to other issues. Why? Every single reliable data point on this issue has already pointed to Obama being born in Hawaii. Why would the birther side suddenly decide to believe he was born in the US upon getting more evidence? It’s not like their relying on evidence to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/123 "2010-12-30T17:08:49Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > There are other more important things America should be dealing with. No shit. Glad we can move on now. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/124 "2010-12-30T17:09:22Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Obama’s “ineligibility to be president” IS resolved, as false, to SANE… PEOPLE. The only people who currently profess doubt as to Obama’s citizenship and eligibility are either insane… Actually, I wonder about that. I’ve asked a question in GQ, whether the inability to accept evidence is an actual illness. (Not just birthers, but other conspiracy theorists such as Moon Hoaxers.) So far, it seems it is a ‘disorder’ rather than an illness. Since I’m looking for factual medical/clinical answers there, please don’t, if anyone posts, bring politics into it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/125 "2010-12-30T17:10:04Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Hey Susanann? Hey..hey.. remember when y’all birthers cried and cried that Obama’s birth certificate should be made public?! Remember that? > > Remember how it was made public? Remember that? It was made public _and then_ they started crying about it. They said it was a forgery because of some details (because it was a scan of a document, you couldn’t tell the seal was raised, and the campaign blacked out an index number), and then said they wanted a _different_ kind of certificate. Now, **SusanAnn** wants “birth certificate, hospital records, school and college records, passports and visas, selective service records, social security records, marriage/divorce records, health records, etc.” How do his grades, SSN, and marriage records (he hasn’t been divorced) and his health records demonstrate where he was born? Why couldn’t he lie if there was conspiracy? Do they think the health records will show he has some kind of parasite you can only get if you’re born in Kenya or some CSI nonsense? It doesn’t even make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/126 "2010-12-30T17:12:00Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Do they think the health records will show he has some kind of parasite you can only get if you’re born in Kenya or some CSI nonsense? They may show that he’s infected with some sort of blackteria. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/127 "2010-12-30T17:12:06Z")
Well, if they haven’t got anything to do with his birthplace, why is he hiding them? _What is he hiding_? Well, smart guy? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/128 "2010-12-30T17:16:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > They may show that he’s infected with some sort of blackteria. Or a nirus. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/129 "2010-12-30T17:16:32Z")
Where is the library card? WHERE IS THE LIBRARY CARD??? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/130 "2010-12-30T17:23:32Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Where is the library card? WHERE IS THE LIBRARY CARD??? I’ll bet he went to some movies, where are the ticket stubs? And if they’re torn in half, IT PROVES NOTHING!!! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/131 "2010-12-30T17:29:18Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > The only people who currently profess doubt as to Obama’s citizenship and eligibility are either insane or lying for political purposes. Period. Or they could simply be stupid-and-stubborn. Be fair! Consider **all** the possibilities before you go calling names! 31% of Republicans polled say they believe Obama is a Muslim. They’re stupid, not crazy. Well, most of them. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/132 "2010-12-30T17:59:57Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > … > What I said was: “if” obama was to honor/keep his promise to be the most transparent administration in American history, and he began by releasing “ALL” of his personal history records (which are all currently kept secret under seal and lock and key by a bevy of law firms)… What does this even mean? Are you saying that a large number of law firms have his personal records stored in safes? Why? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/133 "2010-12-30T18:08:12Z")
Apparently each one of Volderama’s records they claim to want is contained in a separate horcrux, held in a safe of a different law office run by a different Democrat Death Eater. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/134 "2010-12-30T18:12:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Apparently each one of Volderama’s records they claim to want is contained in a separate horcrux, held in a safe of a different law office run by a different Democrat Death Eater. Makes as much sense as anything the birthers came up with. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/135 "2010-12-30T18:13:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Apparently each one of Volderama’s records they claim to want is contained in a separate horcrux, held in a safe of a different law office run by a different Democrat Death Eater. That sentence appears to be in English… more or less. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/136 "2010-12-30T18:15:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > What makes hospital records “impossible” to forge? What makes them so much more reliable than birth certificates? Oh, that’s simple. They are so much more reliable because Obama hasn’t shown them. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/137 "2010-12-30T18:16:58Z")
The idea of Wilmer Valderrama as Lord Voldemort is the only thing that justifies the existence of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/138 "2010-12-30T18:17:39Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > That sentence appears to be in English… more or less. 😕 Harry Potter reference. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/139 "2010-12-30T18:20:46Z")
BTW, HER delivery records are not HIS medical records. Who has access to their mothers’ medical records? Why should a son have the right to open them to the public? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/140 "2010-12-30T18:23:44Z")
I’m not sure you can call them her records either. They are records of her delivery and his birth, but the records belong to the state of Hawaii from what I can tell. So I think the issue is that the state does not have the right to make these records public. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637.md?page=8)