# Should Hawaii look for Ann Soetoro's delivery records? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 28, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637 "2010-12-28T19:54:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/141 "2010-12-30T18:24:28Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > BTW, HER delivery records are not HIS medical records. Who has access to their mothers’ medical records? Why should a son have the right to open them to the public? Because he is the President (illegitimate), duh? BTW,anybody know where I can stock up on Kenyan Shillings…I have a good feeling… ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/142 "2010-12-30T18:27:29Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > What I find quite humorous about the birthers is that basically they are arguing for a Joe Biden Presidency. And I honestly don’t think they grasp that. Evidently in their take on the Constitution the presidency would go automatically to John McCain who would in turn step down (since he was born two inches over the line into civilian Panama) and give it to Sarah Palin, who would then trade it for whatever was behind Curtain #3. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAlecCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SmartAlecCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAlecCat)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/143 "2010-12-30T19:01:36Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Hell, the way Fox used to beat on it (do they (in particular Beck) still?) is going to put doubt in a lot of people’s minds, since I know they never came back and said “Nevermind, he really is a citizen”. Like that poor girl in 1990. Beck still hasn’t even denied that yet, much less released any definitive proof he didn’t rape and murder her. (EDIT: Note – I don’t believe he raped and murdered her, but I haven’t heard him deny it, or seen any proof that he didn’t.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/144 "2010-12-30T19:14:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m not sure you can call them her records either. They are records of her delivery and his birth, but the records belong to the state of Hawaii from what I can tell. So I think the issue is that the state does not have the right to make these records public. Oh, I’m sure next-of-kin’s (Obama’s) authorization to release them would be sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/145 "2010-12-30T19:25:31Z")
I find it hard to believe that even the most deluded birther really thinks there is a realistic chance that Obama’s presidency will be ended by it being determined that he was born in Kenya. So I don’t think they really think about the Biden vs. Cheney issue. The whole issue is about rallying opposition to Obama, by showing that he is such a devious lying power-hungry liberal that he would do anything it takes to take over the country and turn it into a Socialist (or Communist) state etc. etc. etc. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/146 "2010-12-30T19:39:41Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I find it hard to believe that even the most deluded birther really thinks there is a realistic chance that Obama’s presidency will be ended by it being determined that he was born in Kenya. Isn’t one of the core requirements of the position that he be born in the US? And if he knows that he wasn’t born in the US then isn’t that another strike? I would think it would be a prime reason to give someone the boot even if he was Jebus himself. Just saying with no other stake in the argument. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/147 "2010-12-30T19:42:26Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Not only that, you’d start with a white baby. Who in their right mind, in _1961_, would think a half black baby would have a good shot at becoming President someday? It isn’t like there were no white communists. Not only that, but it would be a thousand times easier just to sneak the woman into the country and give birth for real instead of faking birth records. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/148 "2010-12-30T19:42:51Z")
Originally Posted by Susanann There are other more important things America **should** be dealing with. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No shit. Glad we can move on now. I said: “ **should** ”, not “can”. We will never be able to move on, we will never be able to close this issue, until obama stops hiding, and until obama releases his records as others have done. You can like it, or you can dislike it, you can try to ignore it, it does not matter, because until obama releases the same kinds of records that bush, Clinton, Reagan, John McCain, etc released to the public, then this issue, obama’s secret past, will always overshadow, will always prevent us from moving on. That is just the way it is. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/149 "2010-12-30T19:44:47Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Originally Posted by Susanann > There are other more important things America **should** be dealing with. > > I said: “ **should** ”, not “can”. > > We will never be able to move on, we will never be able to close this issue, until obama stops hiding, and until obama releases his records as others have done. > > You can like it, or you can dislike it, you can try to ignore it, it does not matter, because until obama releases the same kinds of records that bush, Clinton, Reagan, John McCain, etc released to the public, then this issue, obama’s secret past, will always overshadow, will always prevent us from moving on. That is just the way it is. They may prevent YOU from moving on. The vast majority of us don’t give a shit. About either these mysterious “hidden” records or the feelings of the rump end of the stupid train (i.e., birthers). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/150 "2010-12-30T19:45:17Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Isn’t one of the core requirements of the position that he be born in the US? No, the requirement (U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5) is that he be a “a natural born Citizen,” which is not further defined. At the time, this was probably a way of preventing any scheming monarchists from installing some Old World prince to rule the U.S. as “president.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/151 "2010-12-30T19:45:38Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > We will never be able to move on, we will never be able to close this issue, until obama stops hiding, and until obama releases his records as others have done. He is not hiding anything. He’s released the birth certificate, and did so years ago. > [@](#): > > until obama releases the same kinds of records that bush, Clinton, Reagan, John McCain, etc released to the public When were their birth certificates released, let alone their birth records and the other junk you are demanding? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/152 "2010-12-30T19:46:00Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > We will never be able to move on, we will never be able to close this issue, until obama stops hiding, and until obama releases his records as others have done. All pertinent records have been released. Why don’t you release records disproving them? Oh, yeah. There aren’t any. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/153 "2010-12-30T19:47:57Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Originally Posted by Susanann > There are other more important things America **should** be dealing with. > > I said: “ **should** ”, not “can”. > > We will never be able to move on, we will never be able to close this issue, until obama stops hiding, and until obama releases his records as others have done. > > You can like it, or you can dislike it, you can try to ignore it, it does not matter, because until obama releases the same kinds of records that bush, Clinton, Reagan, John McCain, etc released to the public, then this issue, obama’s secret past, will always overshadow, will always prevent us from moving on. That is just the way it is. [ul] [li]Where is Obama hiding? I see him all the time on the TeeVee machine.[/li][li]Which necessary records hasn’t he released? If you’re going to bring up unnecessary records, please explain why they’re necessary.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/154 "2010-12-30T19:51:30Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > You can like it, or you can dislike it, you can try to ignore it, it does not matter, because until obama releases the same kinds of records that \*\*bush, Clinton, Reagan, John McCain, etc \*\*released to the public, then this issue, obama’s secret past, will always overshadow, will always prevent us from moving on. That is just the way it is. So you’re saying that all those people released their birth certificate, hospital records, school and college records, passports and visas, selective service records, social security records, marriage/divorce records, health records, etc.? Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/155 "2010-12-30T19:52:26Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Originally Posted by Susanann > There are other more important things America **should** be dealing with. > > I said: “ **should** ”, not “can”. > > We will never be able to move on, we will never be able to close this issue, until obama stops hiding, and until obama releases his records as others have done. > > You can like it, or you can dislike it, you can try to ignore it, it does not matter, because until obama releases the same kinds of records that bush, Clinton, Reagan, John McCain, etc released to the public, then this issue, obama’s secret past, will always overshadow, will always prevent us from moving on. That is just the way it is. No more. I’m sorry that you and your ilk can’t “move on”, because the rest of us aren’t waiting around for you any more. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/156 "2010-12-30T19:53:46Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > We will never be able to move on, we will never be able to close this issue, until obama stops hiding, and until obama releases his records as others have done. Not only is the issue closed, it was never an issue in the first place. It’s nothing but a half-baked conspiracy theory. Obama hasn’t hidden shit. His birth certificate has been made public to all and sundry. You don’t think that’s good enough? Well isn’t that just tough noogies for you. Oh no no … you have to see his dental records, his fourth grade report card, his prom picture and a detailed record of all his bowel movements since St Swithen’s day 1963 before you’re willing to ‘close the issue.’ It’s a ridiculous issue and people like you who push it in earnest look equally ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/157 "2010-12-30T19:54:51Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > [ul] > [li]Which necessary records hasn’t he released? If you’re going to bring up unnecessary records, please explain why they’re necessary.[/li][/ul] Video rental records, library books checked out, Google searches, dating history, gambling debts, favorite lotto numbers, Netflix queue, Apple or microsoft, paper or plastic, dog or cat, XBOX live handle, facebook likes, gene sequence, allergies, turn-ons, turn-offs, opinion on Sammy Hagar with Van Halen, Steroids testing, enemies list… Of course, thats just a start… ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/158 "2010-12-30T19:55:18Z")
Susanann, Can you promise me something? Will you produce all of those records for yourself, before the next time you vote? We need to be sure that you really are an eligible citizen. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/159 "2010-12-30T19:56:34Z")
I lack access even to Fair and Balanced News where I live and am sincerely confused. I hope some of the birth-truthers present can answer my questions. 1. When did the fraud begin? Was it the same week as B.O. was born in Kenya, much later when he entered politics, or sometime in between? 2. Is it true that B.O.'s mother was attending school in Hawaii in 1961, or is that “fact” part of the fraud too? If true, why the sudden trip to Kenya to give birth? (I have read it was due to the need for a “Rosemary’s Baby”-type Satanic ritual that would be unlawful in U.S.A., but that’s just a left-wing parody of rightful thinking, isn’t it?) I know I _should_ be able get these answers with Google, but my Googling skills are poor, and I keep getting hits on the same left-wing sites prattling the usual fabricated lies about the “birth in Hawaii.” > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Apparently each one of Volderama’s records they claim to want is contained in a separate horcrux, held in a safe of a different law office run by a different Democrat Death Eater. (I’m always afraid of breaching ettiquette by “hijacking” a thread, but this post sends a signal that it’s OK here. 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/160 "2010-12-30T19:56:46Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > So you’re saying that all those people released their birth certificate, hospital records, school and college records, passports and visas, selective service records, social security records, marriage/divorce records, health records, etc.? > > Cite? I’d love to see Bush II’s full records for the TANG unit his daddy got him in to avoid Vietnam. Why didn’t he at least keep going to meetings? And proof that he _didn’t_ do community service for a coke bust would be enlightening, as well… ETA: Also, full details of his dismal business career before he became Governor! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637.md?page=9)