# Should Hawaii look for Ann Soetoro's delivery records? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 28, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637 "2010-12-28T19:54:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/161 "2010-12-30T20:00:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I lack access even to Fair and Balanced News where I live and am sincerely confused. I hope some of the birth-truthers present can answer my questions. > > 1. When did the fraud begin? Was it the same week as B.O. was born in Kenya, much later when he entered politics, or sometime in between? > > 2. Is it true that B.O.'s mother was attending school in Hawaii in 1961, or is that “fact” part of the fraud too? If true, why the sudden trip to Kenya to give birth? (I have read it was due to the need for a “Rosemary’s Baby”-type Satanic ritual that would be unlawful in U.S.A., but that’s just a left-wing parody of rightful thinking, isn’t it?) Wow, you are totally confused, dude. It isn’t up to the brithers to come up with a logical theory of how all the current evidence still points toward fraud, it is up to the President to produce a video of his birth with a newspaper from the same day in the frame and Jesus himself to descend from heaven and declare Obama was born in the USA…until then his US birth is mere speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/162 "2010-12-30T20:06:30Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > …and Jesus himself to descend from heaven and declare Obama was born in the USA… No good. Jesus is a jew. He’d be somehow a part of the conspiracy!! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/163 "2010-12-30T20:12:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 1. Is it true that B.O.'s mother was attending school in Hawaii in 1961, or is that “fact” part of the fraud too? If true, why the sudden trip to Kenya to give birth? (I have read it was due to the need for a “Rosemary’s Baby”-type Satanic ritual that would be unlawful in U.S.A., but that’s just a left-wing parody of rightful thinking, isn’t it?) Could be . . . But it sounds more like [Poe’s Law](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law) in action. Of course, [meme-savvy RWs know just what to make of “Poe’s Law”!](http://www.conservapedia.com/Poe's_law) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/164 "2010-12-30T20:13:23Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > No good. Jesus is a jew. He’d be somehow a part of the conspiracy!! Mohamed would be more appropriate, seeing as how our Kenyan president is also a (secret) Muslim!! ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/165 "2010-12-30T20:17:00Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > It’s a ridiculous issue and people like **you** who push it in earnest look equally ridiculous. Sorry, wasnt “me”. It is CNBC Democrat **Chris Matthews** and Hawaii Democrat governor **Neil Abercrombie** who are currently making a big deal out of it in all the news. (I guess you got me mixed up with Chris Matthews, somehow?) Moreover, only 42% of Americans think obama is an American citizen. It is not even close to being a settled issue, rather, this is a most unsettled issue that cant go away until the truth comes out. 42% is a smallish number. For crying out loud, more than 42% of Americans believe in flying saucers… making obama even less credible than little green men. * * * **CNN Poll: Only 42% Of Americans Believe Obama Is A Citizen,** [http://patdollard.com/2010/08/cnn-poll-only-42-of-americans-believe-obama-is-a-citizen-only-23-of-republicans/](http://patdollard.com/2010/08/cnn-poll-only-42-of-americans-believe-obama-is-a-citizen-only-23-of-republicans/) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/166 "2010-12-30T20:19:27Z")
**Susanann** , are you going to bother citing any of the claims you’ve made? > [@Susanann](#): > > It is CNBC Democrat **Chris Matthews** and Hawaii Democrat governor **Neil Abercrombie** who are currently making a big deal out of it in all the news. Yet another reason Abercrombie should drop this. > [@](#): > > Moreover, only 42% of Americans think obama is an American citizen. It is not even close to being a settled issue, rather, this is a most unsettled issue that cant go away until the truth comes out. An issue does not become controversial just because uninformed people are wrong about it. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/167 "2010-12-30T20:21:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > …Of course, [meme-savvy RWs know just what to make of “Poe’s Law”!](http://www.conservapedia.com/Poe's_law) That page is friggin hilarious. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/168 "2010-12-30T20:21:31Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 1. Is it true that B.O.'s mother was attending school in Hawaii in 1961, or is that “fact” part of the fraud too? No, and yes. Stanley Ann Dunham, obama’s mother, was attending University of Washington in Seattle in 1961. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/169 "2010-12-30T20:22:36Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > I’ll bet he went to some movies, where are the ticket stubs? And if they’re torn in half, IT PROVES NOTHING!!! Not true!!!.. I’ve worked in movie theaters for years and it is a FACT that they keep their part of the torn stubs FOREVER!!! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/170 "2010-12-30T20:25:06Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Moreover, only 42% of Americans think obama is an American citizen. It is not even close to being a settled issue, rather, this is a most unsettled issue that cant go away until the truth comes out. > 42% is a smallish number. For crying out loud, more than 42% of Americans believe in flying saucers… making obama even less credible than little green men. > > * * * > > **CNN Poll: Only 42% Of Americans Believe Obama Is A Citizen,** > > [http://patdollard.com/2010/08/cnn-poll-only-42-of-americans-believe-obama-is-a-citizen-only-23-of-republicans/](http://patdollard.com/2010/08/cnn-poll-only-42-of-americans-believe-obama-is-a-citizen-only-23-of-republicans/) Your extremely biased cite got it’s headline wrong. Your article only says that "Forty-two percent of those questioned say they have absolutely no doubts that the president was born in the U.S., ". That’s not the same as saying only 42% thinks he’s a US citizen. And here are the results of many other polls in the wikipedia article on this subject: "Opinion surveys In October 2008, the Orange County Register’s OC Political Pulse poll found that a third of responding Republicans believed that Obama had been born outside the United States.[221] As a result of the widespread publicity given to the citizenship controversy, 60% of respondents in an Ohio State University survey carried out in November 2008 had heard of the issue. However, only 10% believed the claims that Obama was not a citizen.[222] An opinion poll carried out for Daily Kos by Research 2000 in July 2009 found that 77% of Americans believed that Obama was born in the U.S., while 11% didn’t, and 12% were unsure. However, Republicans and Southerners were far more likely than other political or demographic groups to doubt that Obama was born in the United States. 58% of Republicans either believed that Obama was not born in the U.S. (28%) or were not sure (30%), with 42% believing that he was. An overwhelming majority of Democrats (93%) and independents (83%) believed that he was born in the U.S. Support for the belief that Obama was born outside the U.S. was strongest in the South, where only 47% of those polled believed he was born in the U.S., compared with an average of 90% of residents of the Northeast, Midwest and West.[223] A marked racial disparity in the South was also apparent. The Politico’s congressional reporter, Glenn Thrush, commented that the Research 2000 poll “explains why Republicans, including Roy Blunt, are playing footsie with the Birther fringe”.[223] Writing on National Journal’s [Pollster.com](http://Pollster.com) blog, Brendan Nyhan observed that the poll “suggests that the encouragement of the birth certificate myth by conservative pundits and Republican politicians has begun to activate the GOP base on this issue”.[224] A Public Policy Polling survey carried out in August 2009 found that only 32% of Republicans in Virginia thought that Obama was born in the U.S., 41% thought he was foreign-born and the remaining 27% were unsure.[225] In Utah, an August 2009 poll carried out for the Deseret News and KSL-TV found that 67% of Utahns accepted the evidence that Obama was born in the U.S. The poll found that those who do not believe that Obama was born in the United States, or do not know, are predominantly middle-aged, lower-income Republican-leaning individuals without a college education.[226] A Pew Research Center poll found that 80% of Americans had heard about the Obama citizenship claims by August 2009. The poll found a significant partisan divide in views of the news coverage, with 58% of Democrats saying that the allegations had received too much attention from the media. Republicans were more inclined to say that the allegations had received too little attention, with 39% expressing this view against only 26% saying that the controversy had received too much attention.[227] In a Harris Poll online survey of 2,320 adults conducted in March 2010, 25% of the respondents said they believed that Obama was “not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president”.[228] In a July 2010 CNN poll of adult Americans, 16% said had doubts that Obama was born in the United States, and a further 11% were certain that he was not.[10]" ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/171 "2010-12-30T20:28:07Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > … **CNN Poll: Only 42% Of Americans Believe Obama Is A Citizen,** > > [http://patdollard.com/2010/08/cnn-poll-only-42-of-americans-believe-obama-is-a-citizen-only-23-of-republicans/](http://patdollard.com/2010/08/cnn-poll-only-42-of-americans-believe-obama-is-a-citizen-only-23-of-republicans/) I’d really like to see some specifics on that poll. Things like: Exactly what questions were asked, How were the participants chosen, etc. If the number is correct is says more about the population of the U.S. then it does about the President’s citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/172 "2010-12-30T20:28:47Z")
Originally Posted by Susanann It is CNBC Democrat **Chris Matthews** and Hawaii **Democrat governor Neil Abercrombie** who are currently making a big deal out of it in all the news. > [@Marley23](#): > > **Susanann** , are you going to bother citing any of the claims you’ve made?. An issue does not become controversial just because uninformed people are wrong about it. ## I am not sure why? you think CNBC **Chris Matthews** and Hawaii Democrat governor\*\* Neil Abercrombie\*\* are uninformed??? **Chris Matthews: Why Doesn’t Obama Just Release The Birth Certificate?** [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/27/chris\_matthews\_why\_doesnt\_obama\_just\_release\_the\_birth\_certificate.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/27/chris_matthews_why_doesnt_obama_just_release_the_birth_certificate.html) * * * **Obama’s Birth certificate: Hawaii Governor Abercrombie’s Birther mission** \* December 28th, 2010 12:54 am ET > **[StockExaminer - AI-Powered Stock Chatbot](https://examiner.com)** > > Discover Stock Examiner, the AI-powered chatbot delivering instant, interactive stock charts, real-time financials, breaking news, stock screeners, and more—all in one seamless experience. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/173 "2010-12-30T20:29:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > And here are the results of many other polls in the wikipedia article on this subject: > [@Birther](#): > > TLDR. fnord ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/174 "2010-12-30T20:29:43Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Sorry, wasnt “me”. > It is CNBC Democrat **Chris Matthews** and Hawaii Democrat governor **Neil Abercrombie** who are currently making a big deal out of it in all the news. > > (I guess you got me mixed up with Chris Matthews, somehow?) Maybe. Are you a fat white guy? > [@](#): > > Moreover, only 42% of Americans think obama is an American citizen. It is not even close to being a settled issue, rather, this is a most unsettled issue that cant go away until the truth comes out. > 42% is a smallish number. For crying out loud, more than 42% of Americans believe in flying saucers… making obama even less credible than little green men. > > * * * > > **CNN Poll: Only 42% Of Americans Believe Obama Is A Citizen,** > > [http://patdollard.com/2010/08/cnn-poll-only-42-of-americans-believe-obama-is-a-citizen-only-23-of-republicans/](http://patdollard.com/2010/08/cnn-poll-only-42-of-americans-believe-obama-is-a-citizen-only-23-of-republicans/) Way to wrestle those poll results into a tasty little Birther Pretzel. 42% say they’re sure he’s a citizen. 29% say it’s probable that he’s a citizen. That’s 71% on the sane side, compared to the 11% who are sure he’s not and the 16% who say he’s probably not a citizen … 27% in all. Every one of them of one stripe of conservative retard or racist or another. Don’t be laying this off on Chris Matthews and the governor of Hawaii (who, by the way is not a birther). They’re not posting in this thread. You are. And you’re making more and more a fool of yourself with every post. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/175 "2010-12-30T20:32:03Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Sorry, wasnt “me”. > It is CNBC Democrat **Chris Matthews** and Hawaii Democrat governor **Neil Abercrombie** who are currently making a big deal out of it in all the news. Yes, and the only reason they’re even talking about it, is because a certain faction of knuckledragging, mouthbreathing, batshit crazy right wingers keep pressing the issue. And again show me the evidence that McCain, Reagan, Clinton and Bush showed off so much as their birth certificate, let alone their hospital records, school records, marriage records, and all the other types of documents you mentioned in your previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/176 "2010-12-30T20:33:20Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > No, and yes. > > Stanley Ann Dunham, obama’s mother, was attending University of Washington in Seattle in 1961. Really? The wiki page says she didn’t start there until 1962. > [@wikipedia](#): > > On August 4, 1961, at the age of 18, Dunham gave birth to her first child, Barack Obama II.[18] Friends in Washington State recall her visiting with her month-old baby in 1961.[19][20][21][22][23] By January 1962, she had enrolled at the University of Washington, and was living as a single mother in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle with her son while her husband continued his studies in Hawaii.[13][20][24][25][26] ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/177 "2010-12-30T20:34:48Z")
Chris Matthews is a moron. Quoting myself from early 2008: > [@Cthulu voters: will you choose Nylarthotep or Yog Sothhoth (or McCain)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cthulu-voters-will-you-choose-nylarthotep-or-yog-sothhoth-or-mccain/446654/13): > > I’ll vote for whoever convinces me that he is sincere about stomping on all the pundits, tormenting them for eternity and squishing Chris Matthews’ head like a pale ripe grape. > [@Susanann](#): > > I am not sure why? you think CNBC Chris Matthews and Hawaii Democrat governor Neil Abercrombie are uninformed??? I don’t have a clue what you are trying to say here. I also think you’re going to cause severe inflation in the price of question marks. Abercrombie is apparently going to look into what other kinds of records his state can release. I think he’s well intentioned but being stupid. I don’t know what you think that proves. Are you going to cite your claims any time soon? It’s almost the new year. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/178 "2010-12-30T20:36:02Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > ## Originally Posted by Susanann It is CNBC Democrat **Chris Matthews** and Hawaii **Democrat governor Neil Abercrombie** who are currently making a big deal out of it in all the news. I am not sure why? you think CNBC **Chris Matthews** and Hawaii Democrat governor\*\* Neil Abercrombie\*\* are uninformed??? > > **Chris Matthews: Why Doesn’t Obama Just Release The Birth Certificate?** > [Chris Matthews: Why Doesn't Obama Just Release The Birth Certificate? | RealClearPolitics](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/27/chris_matthews_why_doesnt_obama_just_release_the_birth_certificate.html) > > * * * > > **Obama’s Birth certificate: Hawaii Governor Abercrombie’s Birther mission** > \* December 28th, 2010 12:54 am ET > [StockExaminer - AI-Powered Stock Chatbot](http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-national/obama-s-birth-certificate-hawaii-governor-abercrombie-s-birther-mission) They aren’t uniformed. They are responding to morons on the right who can’t or won’t think. It’s funny how often not being able to think clearly manifests on the right. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/179 "2010-12-30T20:38:41Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Really? The wiki page says she didn’t start there until 1962. But that’s part of the conspiracy, don’t you see? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637/180 "2010-12-30T20:41:12Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Every one of them of one stripe of conservative retard or racist or another. > […]You are. And you’re making more and more a fool of yourself with every post. > [@joebuck20](#): > > Yes, and the only reason they’re even talking about it, is because a certain faction of knuckledragging, mouthbreathing, batshit crazy right wingers keep pressing the issue. Acknowleding that there’s not much point in this discussion to start with, I’m going to close this thread if this type of posting continues. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-hawaii-look-for-ann-soetoros-delivery-records/565637.md?page=10)