What I find quite humorous about the birthers is that basically they are arguing for a Joe Biden Presidency.
Can’t argue with this logic.
Seriously, you can’t argue with it. There are no words that can possibly change the mind of a person who seriously believes that a government issued document is not substantive, but dusty, minimally secured paper records from 50 years ago are incontrovertible and non-forgable.
Can’t find the record, clearly he was born in Kenya. It couldn’t have been that an Obama hater snuck into the sub-sub-sub basement and took the record. Impossible, unthinkable, it’s much more likely that his mom secretly traveled to Kenya late in her pregnancy to ensure her baby was born there instead of in the US, then planted newspaper announcements to make it SEEM like he was born in Hawaii, just in case he tried to get the one job in the entire world that requires natural born US citizenship. She’s a frickin’ criminal mastermind.
The Vice Presidency also requires US citizenship, smart guy. 
Also, if you wanted to groom someone to be president of the United States, especially in 1961, why the hell would you name them Barack Hussein Obama, instead of, say, Joe Smith or some other stereotypically-sounding “all-American” name.
Advocating murder as a solution to a political issue simply contributes to the debasement of civil political discourse. With this post, you’re part of the problem.
I don’t know about you, but more than once in my life i’ve had to prove citizenship, for a passport, for work, for a diver’s license, and I have always done it with my birth certificate, and never done it with hospital records. I can’t think of anything more substantive. I may use my passport for re-entry to the US as a citizen, but it is based on my birth certificate.
Birth certificate not a substantive document? Yeesh! I think that’s what I used to get a passport, among other things. It’s the ultimate substantive document.
No one has ever asked for hospital records of my kids when I’ve enrolled them in school, got them passports, etc. They’ve asked for the birth certificate in ALL cases. Not everyone is born in a hospital.
Well she did spend six years in evil anthropology school.
That’s how these things work. Any purportedly questionable document or event is evidence of the crime, and any evidence against the theory is just evidence for the coverup.
At ease, Northern Piper, I do but jest.
Hmmm…[checks keyboard]…there oughta be some way to indicate a tongue-in-cheek utterance…Oh wait, there is!..:);)
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*I’ll remember to add the smilies next time
ETA: I think the debasement of civil political discourse is pretty well a done deal anyway.
I don’t find comments about shooting people for their political opinions to be funny, no matter how many smilies are attached. They poison civil discourse, in my opinion.
Nazis had political opinions too.
There should be a Godwin smiley with a Hitler mustache.
Not only that, you’d start with a white baby. Who in their right mind, in 1961, would think a half black baby would have a good shot at becoming President someday? It isn’t like there were no white communists.
But don’t you see? This is why the evil, commie libs have been working to reduce racism. It’s all a part of their plan. 1. Civil rights. 2. Black president. 3. Government takes everything from the God-fearing capitalist whites.
They dyed Kennedy Black.
Not to continue a hijack but… great movie!
This makes no sense. I am a foreign born person as well and I am free to believe any stupid thing I want.
Your entire OP is support for a conspiracy theory, your attempts to walk it back notwithstanding.
Not to mention the logic of having their agent deliberately born in Kenya in the first place. Probably something like “they wanted to make sure he wouldn’t feel any loyalty at all to America,” as if it would make a difference.
It’s my position that if a birth certificate exists for President Obama–and from what little I know, it has been produced–the legal issue is over. He is a natural-born US citizen. The thing that makes him that is that birth certificate. It wouldn’t matter whether or not the document itself was created under some sort of shady circumstances. What defines you legally as a US citizen is that document.
That’s not what I posted the OP for. I don’t care about that debate. From what I understood from the article, Governor Abercrombie wants to get to the bottom of the whole documentation issue by researching and producing whatever is out there. That means looking at hospital records.
I realize that in the anxiety to mock any potential “birther” on a liberal board like this, there is this default assumption that an “official” birth certificate is just about as strong evidence as you can get. In point of fact this is a feeble assumption. It’s an assumption most recently ridiculed when there was a debate over the age of a Chinese gymnast.
It’s really the hospital records of a mother confined for delivery that constitute solid birth proof of an individual claiming to be born in a hospital. So my observation is that the Governor is taking a risk essentially inviting that those records be opened up. If all of the admit logs for a particular date range at all candidate hospitals show an unbroken string of admitted patients and Ann Dunham (or whatever name is appropriate is not there), then she did not deliver a baby at those hospitals, regardless of what the newspaper said. A patient admitted to a hospital for delivery generates dozens of pages of records of various sorts. Those sorts of records would be impossible to forge. If they exist for every other patient but not an Ann Dunham, it’s the birth certificate (essentially a minor clerical function in the hands of a minor clerk) that would be considered incorrect by anyone who understands the difference between the two types of records.
It’s true you only need a “birth certificate” if you are applying for a passport. It’s true the birth certificate establishes your legal birth. It’s just not a very persuasive document compared with hospital records, and so it seems to me the Governor needs to be pretty sure he’s gonna find what he thinks he’s gonna find before he opens up a process which could settle the actual issue.
At issue for birthers is not whether or not President Obama has a birth certificate. It’s whether or not he was born in Hawaii.
It has. In 2008. That’s what started this mess. Obama posted a copy of his birth certificate online during the campaign because a rumor had popped up that his middle name was Mohammed. So he put the birth certificate online. Next thing you know, there’s a cottage industry of people coming up with frivolous complaints about the birth certificate - it’s a “short form,” the seal isn’t raised, some numbers were blacked out, and other such idiocy.
It’s not that this is a liberal board. It’s that the fact of this matter were clear ages ago, and people around here tend to jump on people who ignore facts the way the birthers do.
If you say so. The birth certificate is good enough for most real-world purposes, and there is no reason Obama needs to be subjected to greater scrutiny.
There’s no risk. But there is also no point. No piece of paper will deter these people.
That’s not my understanding.
I have a birth certificate reissued by Maryland in 2001. It is very similar, almost identical, to the birth certificate from Hawaii that Obama offered during the campaign; no hospital, no doctor, and so on.
I also have in my possession an uncertified copy of my original handwritten birth certificate that has far more information. I assume that Maryland based my reissued birth certificate on that original. Now does Maryland still have all that information? I don’t know. Did they computerize their birth certificate database to hold only the information needed to provide my reissued birth certificate? I don’t know.
I have to assume that the governor is only referring to data that is in the possession of the state. He has no legal ability to demand hospital records. If the state still has a physical copy of the 1961 birth certificate, that’s what he’s looking for. If that physical copy was destroyed after the information desired to be retained was transferred into a computer database, he won’t find it.