# Should I be friends with this person in the seduction community? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 12, 2018, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416 "2018-03-12T05:44:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/41 "2018-03-13T14:11:59Z")
> [@BloodStalk](#): > > They said it’s fair that the general view of pick up artist is scumm, so I don’t think they are part of the misogynistic aspect of it? WTH does this even mean? ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/42 "2018-03-13T15:36:52Z")
I have a lot of friends, some of them rather unusual, and don’t associate with people who refuse to consider all of my friends fully human. So I’m not going to hang out with any “God hate fags” types, no matter how they dress it up in “love the sinner hate the sin” language. The PUA community, even if they call themselves the ‘seduction’ community now, doesn’t treat women as fully human, and so I wouldn’t want to be around them since (unlike a lot of PUAs) I have a lot of female friends. It’s not just the idea that sex is the only thing that matters about relationships with women, there’s also a whole bunch of evo-psych nonsense, outright misogyny, extremely anti-queer bias, and a host of other awful ideas. If someone read some PUA books and picked the non-awful stuff out of them, or toyed with the idea of becoming one at some point I wouldn’t care, but if they’re involved enough that they’re making apologies for the toxic community (it’s not just ‘a few lemons’) then they clearly don’t have compatible views with me. ---
**Author:** ![BloodStalk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@BloodStalk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BloodStalk)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/43 "2018-03-13T20:08:47Z")
For now, I’ll give this guy a chance. As long as he doesn’t view women badly or anything, he’ll be ok with me. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/44 "2018-03-13T21:48:19Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > What is appealing about a potential friendship with this guy? > [@BloodStalk](#): > > They said it’s fair that the general view of pick up artist is scumm, so I don’t think they are part of the misogynistic aspect of it? I’m gonna assume that since mine was the previous post before yours, you must have been responding to me with this, um, collection of words here? Let me try to paraphrase then, why be friends with this guy in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/45 "2018-03-13T21:50:05Z")
> [@BloodStalk](#): > > For now, I’ll give this guy a chance. As long as he doesn’t view women badly or anything, he’ll be ok with me. But _why?_ Why give this guy a chance and not every single other guy you come in contact with ever whom you don’t consider convincingly evil? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/46 "2018-03-13T21:55:36Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the “Seduction Community” honed their skills using some variety of the “Girlfriend Experience”. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/47 "2018-03-13T22:23:08Z")
I would be stunned if any member of the Seduction Community had ever seen a naked woman who wasn’t pixilated. ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@MonkeyCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyCat)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/48 "2018-03-13T22:24:02Z")
Sounds like he’s so far into it, he’s lost touch with his ability to feel shame. Does he wear a fedora? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/49 "2018-03-13T23:07:04Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the “Seduction Community” honed their skills using some variety of the “Girlfriend Experience”. > [@madmonk28](#): > > I would be stunned if any member of the Seduction Community had ever seen a naked woman who wasn’t pixilated. Actually you’re probably right. Paying for sex is only for **losers**. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/50 "2018-03-15T14:58:02Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I would be stunned if any member of the Seduction Community had ever seen a naked woman who wasn’t pixilated. It’s fun to insult them, but the idea that they’re all so repulsive that no women come near them simply isn’t true. A lot of them do manage to find women that their techniques work on, though the problem is that most of the techniques really only work on someone who’s vulnerable and in a bad place for other reasons. Also some of them are mostly-functional guys who have successfully dated normally but get into it hoping to have an endless stream of hot babes on their arm. There were a pair of successful pick-up artists who basically wrecked their business and life when what they intended as a private blog about their conquests got discovered and made public > **[From Pickup Artist to Pariah](https://www.thecut.com/2016/01/jared-rutledge-pickup-artist-c-v-r.html)** > > Jared Rutledge fancied himself a big man of the “manosphere.” But when his online musings about 46 women were exposed, his whole town turned against him. (Also for context, Asheville NC is basically the place where all of the hippies in the state who want to live in the mountains congregate, so it’s much more progressive than you’d expect from its size and location.) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416/51 "2018-03-15T15:13:51Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > It’s fun to insult them, but the idea that they’re all so repulsive that no women come near them simply isn’t true. A lot of them do manage to find women that their techniques work on, though the problem is that most of the techniques really only work on someone who’s vulnerable and in a bad place for other reasons. Also some of them are mostly-functional guys who have successfully dated normally but get into it hoping to have an endless stream of hot babes on their arm. There were a pair of successful pick-up artists who basically wrecked their business and life when what they intended as a private blog about their conquests got discovered and made public … Yeah, but for every one of those, there are dozens of internet playas who are posting from their mom’s basement about all the hot chicks they bang. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-be-friends-with-this-person-in-the-seduction-community/810416.md?page=2)