# Should I take my "5" girlfriend to "She's Out Of My League"? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 13, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904 "2010-04-13T00:37:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/61 "2010-04-17T16:14:40Z")
I’m just curious, what’s the nature of your mental illness **JohnClay**? ---
**Author:** ![Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siddhartha_Vicious)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/62 "2010-04-17T17:12:29Z")
You assigned a number to your girlfriend? Really? And considering that most guys would, after getting to know the person, bump up the number, you still consider her a 5? Maybe you should rethink going to the movie with her at all. Doesn’t sound like a match made in heaven. Sounds like a relationship of convenience. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/63 "2010-04-18T00:05:59Z")
> [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](#): > > You assigned a number to your girlfriend? Really? My friends and I all have. > [@Siddhartha Vicious](#): > > And considering that most guys would, after getting to know the person, bump up the number, you still consider her a 5? The number is based purely on looks. At least, it is how we do it around here. > [@Siddhartha Vicious](#): > > Maybe you should rethink going to the movie with her at all. Doesn’t sound like a match made in heaven. Sounds like a relationship of convenience. Most are. ---
**Author:** ![Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siddhartha_Vicious)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/64 "2010-04-18T01:06:18Z")
And doesn’t that strike you as the least bit shallow, Mr. Melon? And typically after getting to know someone, and learning that you like their personality, you might realize that you are more physically attracted to them. It’s happened to me before. I should probably bear in mind that I’ve been married for 15 years, and no longer remember what it was like in the dating pool. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/65 "2010-04-18T01:25:02Z")
> [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](#): > > And doesn’t that strike you as the least bit shallow, Mr. Melon? I don’t understand. What precisely are you calling shallow? That I rate girls in terms of attractiveness? If that’s what you’re calling shallow, I’d counter by saying that people do this in their minds all the time- we just go a step further and talk about it. It’s like arguing over which video game is the best or which person had the most influence in history. We don’t believe that people with higher scores are better people than those with lower scores- they’re just more attractive. > [@Siddhartha Vicious](#): > > And typically after getting to know someone, and learning that you like their personality, you might realize that you are more physically attracted to them. It’s happened to me before. I’ve been in love once in my life and I didn’t find myself thinking that she was more sexually attractive than she was before I’d fallen in love with her. > [@Siddhartha Vicious](#): > > I should probably bear in mind that I’ve been married for 15 years, and no longer remember what it was like in the dating pool. Kay. ---
**Author:** ![Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siddhartha_Vicious)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/66 "2010-04-18T01:51:32Z")
I think we’re at an impasse. Of course we all evaluate people based on their looks. It’s human nature. But assigning a number and sharing that number with friends is crass, and not exactly the basis for beginning a relationship in my book. And subjectively dividing people into groups based on their attractiveness is not at all the same as arguing who had the greater influence in history. But I think you’re pretty, Melon. I give you an 8! ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/67 "2010-04-18T02:06:05Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > …he’s doing an OK job of faking the flat tone… It’s weird you can tell that without hearing my pretty unemotional voice… ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/68 "2010-04-18T02:06:55Z")
> [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](#): > > I think we’re at an impasse. Of course we all evaluate people based on their looks. It’s human nature. But assigning a number and sharing that number with friends is crass, and not exactly the basis for beginning a relationship in my book. What? We begin relationships based on attraction. I’ve never once said to myself, “She’s cute- I’d like to ask her out. But nah, she’s a six. I can get a seven if I try hard enough.” You’re really overthinking it. > [@Siddhartha Vicious](#): > > And subjectively dividing people into groups based on their attractiveness is not at all the same as arguing who had the greater influence in history. Sure it is. There’s nothing sacred about the human body. Women’s magazines have “Hottest Men of the Decade!!!” contests all the time. They typically arrange them in a list format, too. > [@Siddhartha Vicious](#): > > But I think you’re pretty, Melon. I give you an 8! Wait, you’re a woman? Two things: 1.) Aw, really? Thanks. Feel free to keep telling me so. 2.) This might explain your view on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siddhartha_Vicious)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/69 "2010-04-18T02:08:45Z")
No, I’m a dude. A dude who thinks you’re pretty. But I am overthinking it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/70 "2010-04-18T02:11:03Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > I’m just curious, what’s the nature of your mental illness **JohnClay**? Bipolar disorder with the occasional psychosis. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/71 "2010-04-18T02:18:57Z")
> [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](#): > > You assigned a number to your girlfriend? Really? Yeah, see the title of the thread. I got my friend to assign a number to his girlfriend too and he gave her a 7.5 which I agree with. > [@](#): > > And considering that most guys would, after getting to know the person, bump up the number, you still consider her a 5? My rating is mostly about her face and body and a little about her personality. I think she’s average even though I told her I love her. > [@](#): > > Maybe you should rethink going to the movie with her at all. Doesn’t sound like a match made in heaven. Sounds like a relationship of convenience. Yeah for me it is a relationship of convience. I think the whole concept of a match made is heaven is often doomed. e.g. in hollywood just about every marriage doesn’t last… even ones that last a decade or two often end. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/72 "2010-04-18T02:20:39Z")
BTW I am planning on taking my girlfriend to that movie tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siddhartha_Vicious)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/73 "2010-04-18T02:27:57Z")
As I was saying, John, I think it’s shallow and crass. And I don’t think that every relationship needs to be a match made in heaven (that was a bit tongue in cheek), but some I think compatibility is more important than convenience. But that’s just me. Have a good time at the movie. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/74 "2010-04-18T02:35:14Z")
> [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](#): > > No, I’m a dude. A dude who thinks you’re pretty. Nigga you gay. > [@Siddhartha\_Vicious](#): > > As I was saying, John, I think it’s shallow and crass. And I don’t think that every relationship needs to be a match made in heaven (that was a bit tongue in cheek), but some I think compatibility is more important than convenience. But that’s just me. I don’t think “shallow” really exists- not in the way people use it. I’ve dated girls because they were cute despite loathing their personalities. I’ve never done what **John** ’s done and told those girls that I loved them, but still. In the real world, this is what happens. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/75 "2010-04-19T10:46:30Z")
Well my girlfriend liked the movie a lot and laughed a lot. She also gave me a hand job which left some white stains on my black shorts but I carried the popcorn out in front of my shorts. At my flat we had about the best sex I’ve ever had. At one point in the day she said that I was gorgeous and I said “you’re not so bad yourself” and she seemed to like that. The movie ended up being against the whole concept of rating people - in particular rating yourself too low (since it involves low self-esteem) or ratings of 10 (putting girls on a pedestal). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/76 "2010-04-19T11:13:11Z")
One of the few funny moments from the show **Joey** : > [@Joey](#): > > It’s important to choose someone at the same level of hotness as yourself. You could go two points either way, but I-- I wouldn’t do much more than that. For example, I’m a 9, okay, so I can hit on a 7 or a hypothetical 11. Okay? Another option for me is a 4 and a 5. Okay? Three 3s. And-- and I wouldn’t recomend this – nine 1s. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/77 "2010-04-19T12:47:21Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Well my girlfriend liked the movie a lot and laughed a lot. She also gave me a hand job which left some white stains on my black shorts but I carried the popcorn out in front of my shorts. At my flat we had about the best sex I’ve ever had. At one point in the day she said that I was gorgeous and I said “you’re not so bad yourself” and she seemed to like that. > The movie ended up being against the whole concept of rating people - in particular rating yourself too low (since it involves low self-esteem) or ratings of 10 (putting girls on a pedestal). Please. Stop. Posting. About. Your. Girlfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904/78 "2010-04-19T14:37:09Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Well my girlfriend liked the movie a lot and laughed a lot. She also gave me a hand job which left some white stains on my black shorts but I carried the popcorn out in front of my shorts. At my flat we had about the best sex I’ve ever had. At one point in the day she said that I was gorgeous and I said “you’re not so bad yourself” and she seemed to like that. > The movie ended up being against the whole concept of rating people - in particular rating yourself too low (since it involves low self-esteem) or ratings of 10 (putting girls on a pedestal). Closing thread. Perhaps your musing are better suited for MPSIMS. Or a blog. Or Penthouse Letters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-i-take-my-5-girlfriend-to-shes-out-of-my-league/535904.md?page=3)