Q: Donald Trump, so nice to have you here under oath, did you ask a foreign leader to investigate an American citizen?
A: Ask Joe Biden some questions!
:smack:
Neither of the Bidens have been accused of a crime and the purpose of the impeachment trial is not to find them guilty or innocent of anything.
Not so fast. I’d like to hear what they know about Hillary’s email server and Benghazi. If they deny any knowledge, we’ll know they are hiding something.
All of these things are true. But Biden screwed up.
He should have said, “Of course I would testify if I am subpoenaed. I will obey the law.”
That would have demonstrated the way Trump and his administration have been trying to defy subpoenas.
Biden never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Because asking the president of a foreign nation to investigate your political opponent is an abuse of power regardless of what that other person may or may not have done..
It is NOT about either Biden’s actions, it is about Trump’s actions. Asking a foreign government to investigate your political opponent is wrong. Attempting to coerce that government to investigate a political opponent by withholding aid is also wrong. They are both an abuse of power.
If Trump believes Biden (either one) did something wrong the correct course of action is to ask the FBI or other appropriate American law enforcement agency to investigate.
Wrenching Spanners, have you stopped beating your wife yet? Answer yes or no. You have nothing to hide, right?
It is not Biden on trial, it is Trump. It was wrong of Trump to ask a foreign government to investigate an American citizen. It was also wrong with withhold aid appropriated by Congress for that nation in order to coerce their president to announce an investigation. THAT is what is on trial, not what Biden may or may not have done. Even if Biden was the devil himself and doing horrible things it would be irrelevant to Trump’s impeachment because Trump’s guilt or innocence is based on whether or not what Trump did was wrong (which it was) and not what Biden did or didn’t do.
Again - Trump is on trial, not Biden.
And it’s not a “big if” - there is ZERO evidence of any wrong-doing on either Biden’s part here, outside of Trump’s twitter account.
The Republicans want to make this about Biden because they know Trump is guilty as sin. The impeachment is about Trump and Trump alone.
Isn’t it amazing how simply true this is, and at the same time it is so utterly not understood? It makes me want to smack my own self in the forehead.
Exonerated of what charge in what legal proceeding in what venue in what jurisdiction, exactly?
Answer that and I’ll tell you what Biden should welcome.
Actually, no, I’ll save you the time. Trump should subpoena Biden for whatever bullshit he pleases. Biden should challenge the subpoena in court, for the obvious bullshit that it is, which delays the impeachment trial ever closer to the election, and toward that date in June when SCOTUS says Trump can no longer hide his finances from Congress.
Truly a genius move on Trump’s part. Bring on the subpoenas. Do it today.
Yes, they have every right to invesitage whether or not Trump committed the actions for which he was impeached. This is NOT, however, about determining anything about Biden’s actions.
It’s not. Asking another government to interfere in US matters is not a legitimate use of executive powers.
If it is deemed to be legitimate then our democracy is over.
No, it doesn’t, because this isn’t about what Biden might or might not have done, it’s about what TRUMP did. TRUMP’s actions and no one else’s.
No, it’s because he’s irrelevant to whether or not what TRUMP did was ethical/legal/appropriate or not.
But the Republicans desperately want this to be about anyone other than Trump.
Once again -
The Bidens are not on trial here. TRUMP is on trial. It’s about what TRUMP did or didn’t do. What Trump did was wrong regardless of what the Bidens might or might not have done.
Indeed.
And while we’re at it, what did the Bidens know about 9/11, and when did they know it?
And are they lizard people?
They should testify in Donald Trump’s impeachment trial so that we can clear this all up.:rolleyes:
If [del]Biden[/del] Trump has nothing to hide, then he should welcome the chance to testify before the Senate and be exonerated, correct?
The question is not should Joe Biden testify. The question is are 50 Republicans dumb enough to pull the stunt required to make him testify. Because that is exactly what it would be, a dumb stunt. It would be a transparently obvious use of the Mark Fuhrman defense. And we all know OJ is innocent, right?
Every question directed at Joe Biden is going to be a “when did you stop beating your wife?” variation. I hope he answers every single one with a variation of “deez nuts”. However, nothing he says will actually matter because on Fox News every story will be about how Joe Biden admitted to his epic corruption and completely exonerated Trump in the process.
And if the theory is that innocent people having nothing to hide then how about we talk about how this all began? Because as I recall it began with people listening to the recording of Trump’s “perfect” phone call with Zelensky and deciding that the perfect call record had to be buried in a military-grade server that no one has access to. Because that’s what innocent people do with their perfect calls. They hide them and they forbid anyone to talk about the issue.
It’s not a dumb stunt; it’s actually an effective ruse because it’s a distraction. If you look at how authoritarianism and anti-democratic activism works, it works by deepening cynicism about the entire political process and by leaving voters with the idea that the truth cannot be known, and that there’s really no difference between party A and party B, between candidate A and candidate B. The (pseudo) prosecution of Joe Biden makes perfect sense – from the Republicans’ point of view.
I know people want to assume that the average voter is educated, civically-minded, and interested in objective truth. But that’s just not true. The average voter is easily confused. Democracy is hard work and most people are more interested in their Netflix playlist than educating themselves about politics.
Suppose Biden ignores the subpoena, are there any penalties for doing so? If not, he can ignore to his heart’s content.
It doesn’t matter one bit regarding trump’s trial if Joe Biden was on the Grassy Knoll. Should he testify? He shouldn’t even be asked to.
So if Biden as Vice-President asked a foreign prosecutor to stop an investigation ofhis son, then it is still inappropriate for a later President to ask the foreign country to investigate it?
Trump didn’t ask for an investigation.
Trump asked for an announcement of an investigation.
There’s no indication he ever wanted or cared about an actual investigation.
Do you see now?
:rolleyes:
A more appropriate question is, is it appropriate for a later president to withhold federal taxpayer money, authorized by congress, to use as leverage to demand an investigation.
If anyone beyond this post characterizes Trump’s behavior as “just asking questions,” I will call that poster a liar.