# Should lying be a banning offense? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2005, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845 "2005-02-25T08:44:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Zero\_Gravitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7ab992/32.png) [@Zero\_Gravitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zero_Gravitas)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/81 "2005-02-27T08:32:25Z")
Note especially the last link, when Ilsa speaks as a published herpetologist in a discussion about snakes. If this is not true (and Ilsa gives plenty of reasons to suspect that), it’s no different than Beryl Mooncalf discussing legal issues. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/82 "2005-02-27T08:35:46Z")
Nice name. Enjoy it while it lasts. ---
**Author:** ![Zero\_Gravitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7ab992/32.png) [@Zero\_Gravitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zero_Gravitas)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/83 "2005-02-27T08:49:28Z")
> [@Case Sensitive](#): > > Nice name. Enjoy it while it lasts. Have I committed a bannable offense? If so, what was it? ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/84 "2005-02-27T08:56:37Z")
Geez- is there a whole community over on LJ with nothing better to do than trashing these fora? Lesse - an admin uses LJ to say things about a poster she can’t do here, someone digs up the dirt on K6 and a sock shows up to out him. Now, someone has done research on Ilsa and another sock shows up. Do people really take this board that seriously? I mean, yes, I read some stuff here most every day and I guess I’m posting at a rate of about 3/day. But it’s not like my world view would shatter if it turned out that Zev was posting from Calgary. Should Cecil be banned because he clearly presents a fake online persona? It’s quite simple - if someone is posting for the sole reason of presenting a fake persona, and basically just posts to flesh out the lies, then that person is a troll/jerk/pony. And there are rules about that. ---
**Author:** ![Zero\_Gravitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7ab992/32.png) [@Zero\_Gravitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zero_Gravitas)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/85 "2005-02-27T09:30:09Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > Geez- is there a whole community over on LJ with nothing better to do than trashing these fora? Lesse - an admin uses LJ to say things about a poster she can’t do here, someone digs up the dirt on K6 and a sock shows up to out him. Now, someone has done research on Ilsa and another sock shows up. > > Do people really take this board that seriously? > I mean, yes, I read some stuff here most every day and I guess I’m posting at a rate of about 3/day. But it’s not like my world view would shatter if it turned out that Zev was posting from Calgary. Should Cecil be banned because he clearly presents a fake online persona? > > It’s quite simple - if someone is posting for the sole reason of presenting a fake persona, and basically just posts to flesh out the lies, then that person is a troll/jerk/pony. And there are rules about that. I’m offended at your accusation of being a sock puppet. I’m a long-time lurker and I registered here well before those links were posted on the LJ. I wasn’t even aware of the LJ about this message board until yesterday. I think (but am not sure) that I signed up for the guest membership before the whole K6 debacle, and I plan to pay for a full membership. ---
**Author:** ![Zero\_Gravitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7ab992/32.png) [@Zero\_Gravitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zero_Gravitas)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/86 "2005-02-27T09:41:27Z")
I just checked, my first post was on February 20th. The links to Ilsa\_Lund’s contradictory posts were posted on trainwreckspot on February 27th. If I was a regular poster, why would I have created a sock puppet? It’s not like my posts are the sort that a regular poster might want to make from behind the veil of anonymity - my first post was in SHAKES thread about the morality of hitting on people with boyfriends/girlfriends, and I agreed with the majority of the posters. Or are you saying that I intentionally made my sock puppet appear to be a new poster, with the intention of using it later to share information I would not be comfortable posting with my regular handle? If so, why? If I had another handle, I’d have no reason to want to keep my sock puppet…if it got banned, I could just make another the next time I needed one. I can understand some paranoia about sock puppets considering recent events, but do a little research before jumping to conclusions. You have access to the search function. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/87 "2005-02-27T17:34:48Z")
Zero, can you give any possible answer to what relevance your post has for this thread? Ilsa hasn’t even posted here. You apparently just decided to hijack this thread off on to another topic. ---
**Author:** ![Bites\_When\_Provoked](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bites_when_provoked/32/18073_2.png) [@Bites\_When\_Provoked](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bites_When_Provoked)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/88 "2005-02-27T17:45:08Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Zero, can you give any possible answer to what relevance your post has for this thread? Ilsa hasn’t even posted here. You apparently just decided to hijack this thread off on to another topic. Actually, a query with regard to whether a member is lying, in a thread entitled ‘Should lying be a banning offence?’, in which the banning of a popular \*fictitious \* individual is being discussed seems perfectly reasonable, really. ---
**Author:** ![Domokun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c77e96/32.png) [@Domokun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Domokun)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/89 "2005-02-27T17:49:49Z")
You don’t need a rule for everything. Social ostracism works well enough. Seems people around here have loooooong memories too. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/90 "2005-02-27T17:59:13Z")
> [@Zero Gravitas](#): > > Note especially the last link, when Ilsa speaks as a published herpetologist in a discussion about snakes. If this is not true (and Ilsa gives plenty of reasons to suspect that), it’s no different than Beryl Mooncalf discussing legal issues. I have some degree of expertise in herpetology, and as I remarked in post #103 of [this thread,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=303792&page=3&pp=50) it is quite plausible for someone at **Ilsa’s** academic level to have one or more publications. I had one myself (as a junior author) based on research I did as an undergraduate. Ilsa indicates in the following post in the thread that he has three published notes in herpetological journals, which I do not find inconsistent with his evident level of knowledge in the field, nor with his being a beginning grad student (even if an exceptionally young one). ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/91 "2005-02-27T18:01:31Z")
Son of a BITCH! What the fuck is wrong with you ? There isn’t anything incorrect or inconsistent in those links! The “26 years old” was a joke, and I made one grammatical slipup about fifth grade. How many threads is that going to be posted in? ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/92 "2005-02-27T20:57:33Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > Son of a BITCH! What the fuck is wrong with you ? There isn’t anything incorrect or inconsistent in those links! The “26 years old” was a joke, and I made one grammatical slipup about fifth grade. How many threads is that going to be posted in? Forget it, **Ilsa**. You shouldn’t be the one who has to defend himself. Hope the herpes clears up, too. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/93 "2005-02-27T21:19:38Z")
It’s just the fact that every personal detail I’ve ever posted has been dragged up, compiled and posted for everyone to see. I could possibly identified by all these details, and it’s a really unreasonable and unwarranted violation of my privacy. It’s my fault I posted any personal information in the first place, but these anonymous cowards (this info was posted on the SDMB lj by “Anonymous User”) are trying to force me to be accountable for it. Top it off with the fact that everything I’ve said is true (save some grammatical confusion over fifth grade), so I’m being called a liar for no reason. Fucking witchhunters. ---
**Author:** ![Berkut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@Berkut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Berkut)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/94 "2005-02-27T21:39:02Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > I could possibly identified by all these details, and it’s a really unreasonable and unwarranted violation of my privacy. There’s been no violation of your privacy. You publicly posted everything in those links. Also, from the [registration agreement](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294563): > [@Ed Zotti](#): > > Please remember that postings on this board are visible to anyone with access to the Internet, and are retained in a database indefinitely. Please do not post personal revelations or other information that may come back to haunt you. > [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > It’s my fault I posted any personal information in the first place Exactly. > [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > but these anonymous cowards (this info was posted on the SDMB lj by “Anonymous User”) are trying to force me to be accountable for it. That’s silly. No one on LJ can force you to do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/95 "2005-02-27T21:41:08Z")
> [@Zero Gravitas](#): > > If I did that, it would seem like I personally care about getting Ilsa banned So why the unholy fuck did you even bring it up? ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/96 "2005-02-27T22:01:39Z")
> [@Berkut](#): > > There’s been no violation of your privacy. You publicly posted everything in those links. Also, from the [registration agreement](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294563):Exactly.That’s silly. No one on LJ can force you to do anything. Obivously. But someone went back and compiled _everything_ I’ve ever said, and is _trying_ to make me be accountable for it. Obviously they can’t force me to be accountable, but they’re trying their damnedest. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/97 "2005-02-27T22:10:06Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > Obivously. But someone went back and compiled _everything_ I’ve ever said, and is _trying_ to make me be accountable for it. Obviously they can’t force me to be accountable, but they’re trying their damnedest. OK, quick empirical test for the credentials of an adoptive Kiwi herpetologist: what’s on the “tails” side of an NZ 5 cent piece, and name two things that make it unusual. No googling, and if he gets it he’s proved his _bona fides_ and this crap is over. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/98 "2005-02-27T22:15:03Z")
> [@Zero Gravitas](#): > > Have I committed a bannable offense? If so, what was it? Since you seem to have no real interest in the case, you would appear to have posted your links for no other reason than to stir up trouble for Ilsa. (And if you didn’t want to stir up trouble, but merely had some concerns about Ilsa’s veracity, you could have sent the links to a moderator and let the admin deal with them.) Seems to me that you are acting like a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Berkut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@Berkut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Berkut)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/99 "2005-02-27T22:17:05Z")
> [@Case Sensitive](#): > > No googling, and if he gets it he’s proved his _bona fides_ and this crap is over. This is a joke, right? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845/100 "2005-02-27T22:18:12Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > But someone went back and compiled _everything_ I’ve ever said, and is _trying_ to make me be accountable for it. No, they are not. They ( **Z G** and the LJ crowd) are simply harrassing you. Until such time as some member of the staff approaches you with an e-mail demanding that you explain yourself, you may make the choice to either let them get your goat or to ignore them. If anyone begins to pursue you from thread to thread demanding some sort of accounting, that poster will be told to stop the harrassment. . > [@Zero Gravitas](#): > > I know this essentially has the same result as emailing it to a mod, but the distinction is important to me. **Zero Gravitas** , I can think of no reason beyond a simple desire for harrassment for you to have brought these “suspicions” to the board instead of privately to the staff. Your “distinction” is without value. Now that you have aired them and **Ilsa** has made it clear that he does not wish to “explain” what you perceive as “discrepancies,” you can choose to drop the matter or to call attention to your posting with what will be deemed harrassment in any future posts. [/Moderator Mode] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-lying-be-a-banning-offense/291845.md?page=6)