# Should More Murder Suspects Die During Arrests **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 11, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310 "2017-08-11T02:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/41 "2017-08-12T16:12:20Z")
You mean like OJ Simpson 😃 Seriously, this is the idea behind anti-abortion violence. Kill them without trial, conviction and legal execution. Bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/42 "2017-08-12T16:32:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Police don’t carry guns in New Zealand [except when they do.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Police#Weapons) The point ? All countries’ forces can get guns in their hands pretty quickly. Or even call in the Army. But New Zealand police do not routinely carry guns as **Boffking** was saying. As to the proposition, I fear America would become accustomed to murder and violence. ---
**Author:** ![pullin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c57346/32.png) [@pullin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pullin)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/43 "2017-08-12T19:44:22Z")
No, but I’m not sure about threads which are [exact copies](http://www.city-data.com/forum/great-debates/2805810-should-more-murder-suspects-die-during.html) of city-data threads. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/44 "2017-08-13T04:18:04Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > The OP’s profile says he is a ‘radical leftist’. But from what he’s saying he sounds more like ‘radical rightist’. Perhaps there isn’t much difference. The OP has also [claimed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19129185&postcount=4) to be a support of Ted Cruz in 2016, with Marco Rubio a close second. ---
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/45 "2017-08-14T03:45:10Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > The OP has also [claimed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19129185&postcount=4) to be a support of Ted Cruz in 2016, with Marco Rubio a close second. I absolutely was. I formed a Facebook group called “liberal Democrats for Ted Cruz.” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/46 "2017-08-14T04:07:59Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Too many people already die in police custody. That number should be zero. > > And no, no way should cops be empowered to fake shooting incidents to kill suspects. Nor should anyone take satisfaction in a prison killing. > > Trials affirm fa her than mock the justice system. And I have no problem with 40 years of imprisonment. That is what justice is. > > So I reject pretty much every one of the OP’s assertions. I get the impression that the OP is not calling so much for “faking” incidents to kill suspects, but rather, secretly hoping that more suspects resist cops with violence and get killed and “do society a favor” as a result, or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/47 "2017-08-14T04:09:59Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I get the impression that the OP is not calling so much for “faking” incidents to kill suspects, but rather, secretly hoping that more suspects resist cops with violence and get killed and “do society a favor” as a result, or something like that. I give up. What is Charles Manson’s or David Berkowitz’s value to society? ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/48 "2017-08-14T05:17:45Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > I give up. What is Charles Manson’s or David Berkowitz’s value to society? Their continued existence is proof that society values and respects the rule of law, would be one obvious answer. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/49 "2017-08-14T05:29:39Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > or [when talking to this guy](http://imgur.com/knFLjw1), there’s _no way_ you feared for your life when you executed a 12 year old on sight for carrying a BB gun. To be fair he was white which means at least attempt not to shoot him ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/50 "2017-08-14T06:45:58Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > I give up. What is Charles Manson’s or David Berkowitz’s value to society? Beings, whether vile and wicked or little saints are not created to live on the sufferance of value. In nature they simply are. Certainly you or the state can kill them; but not on the grounds they don’t add to your existence. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/51 "2017-08-14T08:25:41Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > I give up. What is Charles Manson’s or David Berkowitz’s value to society? Minimal at best. They’re murderous scumbags who have contributed negatively to society. Now it’s your turn to answer a question. What is the Rule of Law’s value to society? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/52 "2017-08-14T12:57:03Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > I give up. What is Charles Manson’s or David Berkowitz’s value to society? Did you miss the post where Charles Manson was caught because another murderer wasn’t shot on sight and provided the evidence to get Manson? Here’s the post from **Little Nemo** : > [@](#): > > If the OP’s policy had been in place, Charles Manson would still be loose today. As I noted in my previous post, Manson was identified by other suspects who had been arrested. If the OP had his way, those suspects would have been killed at their arrests and wouldn’t have had an opportunity to later identify Manson. The police would have done Manson a pretty big favor by killing off the witnesses against him. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/53 "2017-08-14T13:21:07Z")
If we can figure out why those people did want they did, we might maybe figure out a way to stop other people from doing it (though I’m not holding my breath). ---
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/54 "2017-08-14T14:39:12Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > I’ll bet the dog lied about the 1000 year old man and just said that to further manipulate Berkowitz. I can’t believe he got off Scotty free. Too bad the police didn’t kill him in a struggle, but he wasn’t even arrested! That dog was a black Lab. The breed is so ferocious that it probably wanted all of those people dead anyway. They are a very dangerous breed; even attack with their tail. ---
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/55 "2017-08-14T14:51:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Minimal at best. They’re murderous scumbags who have contributed negatively to society. > > Now it’s your turn to answer a question. What is the Rule of Law’s value to society? The rule of law is based upon reason and common sense. Not upon what is politically correct at the moment. When you say they should get a trial should it degenerate into the kind of theater that the Manson trial became? So how much due process? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/56 "2017-08-14T15:02:10Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > So how much due process? All of it. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/57 "2017-08-14T15:13:25Z")
All due process. And then some more. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/58 "2017-08-14T15:32:46Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > The rule of law is based upon reason and common sense. Not upon what is politically correct at the moment. When you say they should get a trial should it degenerate into the kind of theater that the Manson trial became? So how much due process? Manson was convicted. He was sentenced to death. Theater or not, rule of law worked as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/59 "2017-08-14T16:31:42Z")
If it worked as intended, why is he still alive? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310/60 "2017-08-14T17:30:36Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If it worked as intended, why is he still alive? > > Regards, > Shodan Because the law changed. Duh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-more-murder-suspects-die-during-arrests/793310.md?page=4)