# Should one's past as an adolescent bully be used against them in adulthood? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 28, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131 "2020-10-28T17:36:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/61 "2020-10-30T01:22:58Z")
I read that Miller was skating by his victim’s house on the regular just two years ago, despite a court order to stay away. The mom feels that this was a deliberate campaign of intimidation and harassment. She doesn’t feel Miller has the slightest bit of genuine remorse (and she’s already forgiven the other dude involved). The judge in the court case didn’t think so either. So much for it being a thing of the past. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/62 "2020-10-30T01:40:41Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > A job that will pay you almost a million dollars a year for three years even after taxes and paying his agent Miller would have enough money that he would never have to work again. I’m not really going to feel sorry for people who feel entitled to make a million dollars a year after taxes, if they have to join nearly everyone else on the planet and not do so. He could have taken a bad fall right before they signed him and lost that job because he’d never be able to play again. Say, by being pushed by a bully. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > I would assume the NHL would have at least made sure there were no other incidences outside of the one kid the one year. You’re a lot more sure of that than I am. They may well have checked that he hadn’t been arrested again. That doesn’t mean he stopped being a bully. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/63 "2020-10-30T01:58:15Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > > [@jtur88](#): > > > > How is “debt to society” paid by a school kid who has never even been charged, only accused by someone years later, of actions that weren’t even criminal? Wait until he has 7-figure sports contract and then torpedo his career? > > The OP quotes: “Four years ago, Miller admitted in an Ohio juvenile court to bullying Meyer-Crothers.” [/quote] > > If he went to court, he must have been charged. Bullies don’t show up in court voluntarily, and IANAL but I guess the justice system thought a crime had been committed and compelled him. Also, it wasn’t just an accusation he denied…he admitted it. > > Not to minimize what he did, but we do charge kids as minors rather than adults for worse things. > > [Lionel Tate - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Tate) > > I can see where a team would want skilled players but not want someone who kids can’t admire. He admitted doing what the court said he did, and he did everything the court imposed as his debt to society. Now you want more. What else does he have to do" ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/64 "2020-10-30T03:11:40Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > He admitted doing what the court said he did, and he did everything the court imposed as his debt to society. Now you want more. What else does he have to do" Where I quoted you before, you said he’d never been charged, only accused. I was pointing out that if he admitted it in court, apparently he was charged. And he since he admitted guilt, that’s not in question—saying it was “only accused” implies the possibility it wasn’t established as fact. As for what people think of it today or whether it should hurt his employment opportunities, that’s a different thing. IMO sports teams and other groups may act like they’re deeply concerned about doing the right thing but I think it’s dollars and cents with those folks. They can’t plausibly deny knowing it if it’s been revealed. Merits of the case? That whole bullying thing isn’t cool, especially someone who’s developmentally disabled. In these days of BLM, hmm, that racism probably won’t sit well with the fans. But it’s all court of public opinion and some stars were forgiven their past sins. > **[How Tim Allen Went From Cocaine-Trafficking Criminal To 'Home Improvement' Star](https://allthatsinteresting.com/tim-allen-cocaine)** > > As the future star charmed a judge in court, he told Allen that he expected him to "be a very successful comedian." On the other hand, what has anybody heard from Kevin Spacey lately? Why does the public forgive some and not others? ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/65 "2020-10-30T04:32:03Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > On the other hand, what has anybody heard from Kevin Spacey lately? Why does the public forgive some and not others? Because sexual crimes are on a different level than the other things mentioned in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![TheBoltEater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@TheBoltEater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheBoltEater)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/66 "2020-10-30T04:54:51Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > [@Oredigger77](#): > > > > A job that will pay you almost a million dollars a year for three years even after taxes and paying his agent Miller would have enough money that he would never have to work again. > > I’m not really going to feel sorry for people who feel entitled to make a million dollars a year after taxes, if they have to join nearly everyone else on the planet and not do so. > > He could have taken a bad fall right before they signed him and lost that job because he’d never be able to play again. Say, by being pushed by a bully. Just FYI, he wasn’t the 4th overall pick, he was a 4th rounder - 111th overall. He’s supposed to go to North Dakota now and wouldn’t under any normal circumstances even hope to make the Coyotes roster (had they kept him) for at least another three years, and probably closer to 5 or 6 after a stint in the AHL. He wouldn’t have been making _any_ money while in college, and wouldn’t have been looking for a million dollar payday until his mid twenties, even if everything went right. ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/67 "2020-10-30T09:50:32Z")
Does the leopard change his spots? The bullying seems to have too prolonged, carefully thought out and downright vicious to be excused. The bully got away with it in the past, the thing to do now is to do something that hurts him, such as yanking him out of any executive position until he has demonstrably shown remorse and a commitment to stopping such behavior. And that is just for starters. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/68 "2020-10-30T10:35:16Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > > [@jtur88](#): > > > > He admitted doing what the court said he did, and he did everything the court imposed as his debt to society. Now you want more. What else does he have to do" > > Where I quoted you before, you said he’d never been charged, only accused. I was pointing out that if he admitted it in court, apparently he was charged. And he since he admitted guilt, that’s not in question—saying it was “only accused” implies the possibility it wasn’t established as fact. > > As for what people think of it today or whether it should hurt his employment opportunities, that’s a different thing. IMO sports teams and other groups may act like they’re deeply concerned about doing the right thing but I think it’s dollars and cents with those folks. They can’t plausibly deny knowing it if it’s been revealed. > > Merits of the case? That whole bullying thing isn’t cool, especially someone who’s developmentally disabled. In these days of BLM, hmm, that racism probably won’t sit well with the fans. But it’s all court of public opinion and some stars were forgiven their past sins. > > [The True Story Behind Tim Allen's Mugshot And His Drug-Trafficking Past](https://allthatsinteresting.com/tim-allen-cocaine) > > On the other hand, what has anybody heard from Kevin Spacey lately? Why does the public forgive some and not others? The only thing I said that you dispute was “charged” and all you have is “apparently” charged, and your whole case rests on that. Please answer me: How does an apologetic and judicially acquitted teen get on with his pursuit of happiness without obstruction. Murderers have an avenue of paying their debt tio society. How does this boy do it? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/69 "2020-10-30T12:56:09Z")
> [@TheBoltEater](#): > > He wouldn’t have been making _any_ money while in college, and wouldn’t have been looking for a million dollar payday until his mid twenties, even if everything went right. You’re correct I read [this cite](https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-entry-level-compensation/) wrong when I was trying to figure out what his contract would be I got the minimum of 3 years right but I misread maximum as minimum. I thought his minimum salary would be 925K. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/70 "2020-10-30T14:17:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Restorative justice is a good thing, and I like it a lot better than punitive justice. > > As I understand it, the “restorative” part means that you do something to repair the harm you caused. [Monetary Restitution](http://restorativejustice.org/restorative-justice/about-restorative-justice/tutorial-intro-to-restorative-justice/lesson-3-programs/restitution/#sthash.82jFNaAn.dpbs) can be a piece of this. IMO, this should be a “give until it hurts” situation: if the restitution doesn’t inconvenience the offender, it doesn’t really do much. Making him “give until it hurts” is totally punitive and not restorative. Restorative justice focuses on repairing harm, not punishing offenders. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/71 "2020-10-30T21:50:19Z")
North Dakota kicked him off the team ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/72 "2020-10-30T21:54:46Z")
Hmm… should he be deprived of earning an income? What jobs are suitable for former bullies and are those jobs the only jobs allowed for the rest of the bullies’ life? ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/73 "2020-10-30T22:36:04Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Because sexual crimes are on a different level than the other things mentioned in this thread. Tim Allen trafficking cocaine trafficking seemed like a fairly big deal. But you have a point: people may be less forgiving of sexual crimes. Then again: > **[Listeners are furious that 'Surviving R. Kelly' led to spike in sales,...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2019/01/10/r-kellys-sales-and-streams-spike-after-surviving-r-kelly-airs/2541287002/)** > > R. Kelly's album sales, song sales and audio and video streams have all spiked, according to Nielsen. > [@jtur88](#): > > The only thing I said that you dispute was “charged” and all you have is “apparently” charged, and your whole case rests on that. Please answer me: How does an apologetic and judicially acquitted teen get on with his pursuit of happiness without obstruction. Murderers have an avenue of paying their debt tio society. How does this boy do it? Returning to your original quote: > [@jtur88](#): > > How is “debt to society” paid by a school kid who has never even been charged, only accused by someone years later, of actions that weren’t even criminal? I wondered if I missed something. ‘Since he made the admission in court, I assumed he had been charged. Was he not? And if he wasn’t charged, was this some sort of non-criminal proceeding?’ So I googled and found these. [https://cqrcengage.com/cfchildren/app/document/13312880?0](https://cqrcengage.com/cfchildren/app/document/13312880?0) > [@](#): > > Mitchell Miller and Hunter McKie appeared in Lucas County Juvenile Court after admitting to assault and violating the Safe Schools Act. There’s a NY Times article that is paywalled (I don’t subscribe), but the preview says: > **[N.H.L. Team Drops Top Draft Pick Accused of Racist Bullying (Published 2020)](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/sports/hockey/coyotes-renounce-rights-to-mitchell-miller.html)** > > The Arizona Coyotes knew that the player, Mitchell Miller, had been convicted of abusing a Black classmate. On Friday, Miller’s college team dropped him, too. So you seem to think A) whatever he did wasn’t a crime (but the above—calling it assault, using the term conviction) indicate it was. IMO it’s kind of beside the point, but I wanted to clear it up. The other part of your post seems to be that B) whatever he did, he was punished at the time and that should be the end of it (debating it status of “crime” is nullified by “whatever he did”). You can’t be tried twice for the same crime, right? But the state court isn’t trying him again. There’s no court room, no lawyers, none of that. It’s what fans may think of him. Take a less dramatic case: say a young girl takes a dare from her friends and unfortunately she gets caught shoplifting. Later in life maybe a store keeper won’t give her a job, thinking if she stole before, she might do it again. Would you blame him for protecting his business? I don’t have millions of dollars invested in a franchise or stockholders to report to, but I understand where the concern is. The fans (customers) want a winner but if they don’t like what the guy stood for, maybe they watch less or find another team or whatever. They might forgive it once but if he goes off the rails again? I really think that if advertisers thought Hitler could sell toothpaste, he’d be on our TV screens daily—other side of the coin, pick the most venerated figure and if (s)he couldn’t sell a product, (s)he would be kicked to the curb. For businesses profit motive is critcal. As for the question, “How does he overcome that?” I really don’t know. I read one of Tim Allen’s books years ago. IIRC he kept his past hush hush before “Home Improvement” launched. Imagine an early episode, “This week: Tim gets a visit from former boss Pablo Escobar!” And I think Marky Mark’s past didn’t come to light till he was well established. They built up a fan base before the truth came out. If hockey guy had been the next Wayne Gretzky for a few years and **then** been found out, who knows? They say though that people do love a comeback story. Perhaps he’ll find a way. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/74 "2020-10-30T22:56:00Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > How does an apologetic and judicially acquitted teen get on with his pursuit of happiness without obstruction. He was not acquitted. He was convicted. People with criminal records normally find that is an obstruction in their future career plans. Nor is it clear that he has ever personally apologised to his victim, other than in a letter that the court sentenced him to write, and which the family says they never recevied. The other boy apparently broke down in tears and apologised personally, in addition to the court-mandated letter. He did apparently send out an explanatory, apologetic letter - to all of the NHL teams who might have been interested in him. > [@](#): > > Four years ago, Miller admitted in an Ohio juvenile court to bullying Meyer-Crothers, who was tricked into licking a candy push pop that Miller and another boy had wiped in a bathroom urinal. Meyer-Crothers had to be tested for hepatitis, HIV and STDs, but the tests came back negative, according to a police report. > > Meyer-Crothers, also 18 and who now lives in Detroit, said Miller had taunted him for years, constantly calling him “brownie” and the “N-word,” while repeatedly hitting him while growing up in the Toledo suburb. Other students at their junior high confirmed to police that Miller repeatedly used the “N-word” in referring to Meyer-Crothers. > … > Miller and another teen-ager were charged with assault and violating the Ohio Safe Schools Act in February 2016, when they were accused of making Meyer-Crothers eat candy that had been placed in a urinal. Other accounts in a police report indicate the boys urinated on the candy before giving it to Meyer-Crothers. > > Miller and the other teen then punched and pushed Meyer-Crothers, according to the police report obtained by The Republic. The report also says Miller lied to school officials about his involvement. > > Miller and the other boy admitted to the misdemeanors and were sentenced to 25 hours of community service and were ordered to write an apology through the court system to Meyer-Crothers, participate in counseling and pay court costs. > > Joni Meyer-Crothers said the other boy broke down in tears while personally apologizing to her son, yet Miller has never personally apologized, she said, other than the court-mandated letter. > > The Coyotes sent The Republic a copy of the letter that Miller claimed to have given to the victim and his family. The family said on Friday they never received the letter. > > Joni Meyer-Crothers said one of the key reasons Miller and the other boy admitted to the crime and avoided a trial was because it was caught on a surveillance camera, and it would have been shown in court. > > “It was absolutely brutal,” she said. “Had he not pled guilty, the video would have been released. It would have been so much worse on Mitchell because of the brutality to our son … He’s smashing Isaiah’s head against a brick wall.” > [@jtur88](#): > > Murderers have an avenue of paying their debt tio society. How does this boy do it? If murderers are released from prison, they generally find that a murder conviction harms their job prospects. I’m not aware of any convicted murderers who are playing in the NHL. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/75 "2020-10-30T23:01:54Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Hmm… should he be deprived of earning an income? What jobs are suitable for former bullies and are those jobs the only jobs allowed for the rest of the bullies’ life? Hockey teams tend to encourage their players to be youth ambassadors, role models for young people, especially young boys. If a team has a choice between a player with a criminal record for racist bullying of a youth, and a player who has a clean record, it’s in their business interests to pick the one with a clean record. It’s hard to send a player with a criminal record for racist bullying out to the schools as a youth ambassador. Other people with criminal records find their career prospects limited by the conviction, and the bad choices they made. Should different rules apply to a convicted junior hockey player? Do junior hockey players get an exemption from personal responsibility for past criminal actions with a racist component because they’re good at chasing a puck? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/76 "2020-10-30T23:07:06Z")
Missed the edit window: meant to include this link in my post quoting from this news article: > **[Arizona Coyotes top draft pick was convicted for bullying Black teen with...](https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2020/10/26/arizona-coyotes-top-draft-pick-bullied-black-disabled-kid-4-years-ago/3735555001/)** > > The top draft pick for the Arizona Coyotes, whose CEO is in an NHL group to stop racism, was convicted of bullying a Black kid four years ago. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/77 "2020-10-31T00:19:56Z")
How long should a prohibition on employment last post conviction? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/78 "2020-10-31T00:22:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Hmm… should he be deprived of earning an income? What jobs are suitable for former bullies and are those jobs the only jobs allowed for the rest of the bullies’ life? Ain’t you a capitalist? The jobs suitable for former bullies are the jobs willingly offered to them by employers who believe they’ll, on balance, add value to the business. If a hockey team thinks the negative public response to their hiring a vicious bully will outweigh the benefits of having him on the team, that’s a free market decision. A society always has scut work that needs to be done, miserable low-paid thankless work. That shit builds character, and I’d be happy to let him work some of those jobs for awhile. Maybe he’ll develop enough character in that time to issue a real apology. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/79 "2020-10-31T00:30:21Z")
There is no prohibition on employment. Employers are free to hire him, if they think that his criminal record does not harm their business plans and operations. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131/80 "2020-10-31T00:57:11Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > North Dakota kicked him off the team > **[Miller no longer a part of UND hockey team - TSN.ca](https://www.tsn.ca/former-arizona-coyotes-prospect-mitchell-miller-no-longer-a-part-of-und-hockey-team-1.1545808)** > > One day after the Arizona Coyotes renounced his rights, the University of North Dakota announced Friday that Mitchell Miller is longer a part of the school's hockey team. UND president Andrew Armacost wrote in a letter that Miller, who is a freshman,... > [@](#): > > "Mr. Miller is now a free agent and can pursue his dream of becoming an NHL player elsewhere.” good luck with that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-ones-past-as-an-adolescent-bully-be-used-against-them-in-adulthood/924131.md?page=5)