# Should raw milk be illegal? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 22, 2014, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449 "2014-01-22T14:18:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/101 "2014-01-27T16:41:38Z")
_ **dougie\_monty** removes helmet, spikes it_ ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/102 "2014-01-27T23:22:16Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > _ **dougie\_monty** removes helmet, spikes it_ Just consider yourself lucky it’s not on you! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/103 "2014-01-28T05:17:54Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Just consider yourself lucky it’s not on you! :mad: Dude, what the fuck is your issue? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/104 "2014-01-28T07:23:31Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Dude, what the fuck is your issue? How about your arrogance and pottymouth? That’ll do for a start! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/105 "2014-01-28T12:44:11Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > How about your arrogance and pottymouth? That’ll do for a start! Guin has a potty mouth? WooHoo! ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/106 "2014-01-28T16:12:24Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Guin has a potty mouth? WooHoo! I call 'em as I see 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Strainger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strainger/32/244_2.png) [@Strainger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strainger)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/107 "2014-01-28T17:37:08Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > How about your arrogance and pottymouth? That’ll do for a start! Fuckin’-A, dude. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/108 "2014-01-28T17:53:01Z")
… and here we were having a nice conversation about [del]nutritional theories[/del] inappropriate endzone dances. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/109 "2014-01-28T18:02:31Z")
If you hold a bottle of raw milk while performing your end zone dance, will your ecstatic jiggling be enough to thoroughly mix the contents of the bottle? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/110 "2014-01-28T18:02:54Z")
I think you’d be fined for using props, wouldn’t you? 😉 > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > How about your arrogance and pottymouth? That’ll do for a start! > [@kayaker](#): > > Guin has a potty mouth? WooHoo! Hell, that description probably applies to the majority of the posters here, wouldn’t you say? ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/111 "2014-01-28T18:04:58Z")
> [@Strainger](#): > > Fuckin’-A, dude. Out of thine own mouth thou condemnest thyself. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/112 "2014-01-28T18:13:35Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > If you hold a bottle of raw milk while performing your end zone dance, will your ecstatic jiggling be enough to thoroughly mix the contents of the bottle? I don’t really have any jiggly bits. :o ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/113 "2014-01-28T19:17:29Z")
Wait, you’re a eunuch? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/114 "2014-01-28T19:23:15Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Out of thine own mouth thou condemnest thyself. You DO know your post was in response to someone completely different, right? :dubious: And I can’t tell from **RNATB** ’s post if the issue is being gelded, or simply being really skinny, but if it’s the latter I hear drinking milk can help with that. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/115 "2014-01-28T19:50:49Z")
**dougie** I don’t know you whatsoever, have no recollection of ever reading anything you’ve written, but you come off as an angry [potty mouth word deleted]. I think recall most of the persistently angry [potty mouth word deleted]s I run into here (negative impressions stick at least some) and since I do not recall you, and you’ve been posting a good long time, this may be something not your typical form. So in all seriousness, you okay? (Really, Guin arrogant? In this thread? She asked how it tasted, if it was rich, and a WTF - “F” by itself is not too much for you I hope - over your angry hostile post. Alright, your sensibilities are such that the f word bothers you, but no arrogance was on display. She was not the one even pointing out that your cite was no expert, just someone pretending to be one, and that the statements attributed to him were plain untruths.) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/116 "2014-01-28T20:46:25Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wait, you’re a eunuch? :eek: Those are _jingly_ bits. I have a lot of piercings. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/117 "2014-01-28T21:22:09Z")
> [@ktribe808](#): > > However, where raw milk is illegal, farmers have been raided, prosecuted and even sent to jail for selling raw milk. What do you think - should raw milk be illegal? WHAT??? 😕 Dear Og, what has this world come to when people are raided, prosecuted and even sent to jail for doing something that is illegal?!?!?!! What’s next, raiding and prosecuting and sending to jail people who keep children as sex slaves? People who commit murders for money? Where will it end?? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/118 "2014-01-28T23:17:27Z")
I think custodial sentences are maybe a bit harsh. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/119 "2014-01-28T23:32:31Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > **dougie** I don’t know you whatsoever, have no recollection of ever reading anything you’ve written, but you come off as an angry [potty mouth word deleted]. I think recall most of the persistently angry [potty mouth word deleted]s I run into here (negative impressions stick at least some) and since I do not recall you, and you’ve been posting a good long time, this may be something not your typical form. So in all seriousness, you okay? > (Really, Guin arrogant? In this thread? She asked how it tasted, if it was rich, and a WTF - “F” by itself is not too much for you I hope - over your angry hostile post. Alright, your sensibilities are such that the f word bothers you, but no arrogance was on display. She was not the one even pointing out that your cite was no expert, just someone pretending to be one, and that the statements attributed to him were plain untruths.) I’ll tell you what. You, and anybody else who posts here. You adduce a nutritionist who has anything specific to say about milk–pasteurized or certified–and is not Carlton Fredericks or anyone you have some grievance against, I will listen. I promise. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449/120 "2014-01-29T00:08:37Z")
You mean besides the cites already provided? Sure. Easy to do. [Here.](http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/1/93.long) Really it is pretty straightforward. The major nutritional difference is that commercial milk is higher in certain vitamins due to fortification. And less likely to contain pathogenic organisms. > [@](#): > > … Raw-milk advocates suggest that unpasteurized milk products are completely safe and that they can prevent and treat a wide spectrum of diseases, including heart disease, kidney disease, cancer, and lactose intolerance [42–45]. In addition to the contaminating microflora, milk contains substances that have bacteriostatic and antimicrobial properties. The presumed role of these substances and their heat stability after exposure to pasteurization temperatures are outlined in table 2. Scientific evidence to substantiate the assertions of the health benefits of unpasteurized milk is generally lacking [57]. Nevertheless, when the public is presented with a large body of conflicting information, their decision-making process does not always yield the same results as that of experts [58]. This problem is particularly complicated by the fact that individuals with established attitudes not only seek information that is supportive of their views [59, 60] but also unconsciously process information in a biased fashion [61]. This results in a population that is not easily persuaded by informational messages alone. Clinicians, therefore, are faced with the challenge of communicating health risks and promoting behavioral changes among individuals who hold strong opinions about their dietary selections. … (Table 2 documents the lack of major effect of patuerization on the enzymes that raw milk advocates claim are vital and completely destroyed.) [Here too.](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0958694601001480) > [@](#): > > The results show small or no differences in the investigated parameters between organic milk and the milk from the conventional farms or average values regarding gross composition of Swedish raw milk. The only significant differences found were in urea content and somatic cells, both of which were lower in organic milk. In addition, levels of selenium were lower in organic milk, which is of nutritional importance since dairy products are significant dietary sources of selenium in Scandinavian diets. My question still remains, you okay? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-raw-milk-be-illegal/679449.md?page=7)