# Should Sex Ed Be Taught Outside the Home? If So Where & When?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 4, 2006, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986 "2006-02-04T14:03:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/41 "2006-02-09T13:30:13Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > I would’ve been grounded for getting a failing grade in a subject that mattered, but both of my parents said they fully supported my decision to refuse the ‘bag of flour’ baby in HS. **catsix** , with due respect, your own experiences in junior high and high school are atypical. An educational system designed to meet your needs would not meet the needs of most children. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/42 "2006-02-09T19:08:22Z")
> [@](#): > > **Left Hand of Dorkness** said: > catsix, with due respect, your own experiences in junior high and high school are atypical. An educational system designed to meet your needs would not meet the needs of most children. And what about the needs of kids who are like I was? Are we not supposed to meet their needs because they’re outliers from the average? Do we take them out of the types of situations where they thrive and put them where they will getless benefit? Do we assume that because an average student would ‘do well to learn these things’ that it must apply to **all** students? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/43 "2006-02-09T19:21:47Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > And what about the needs of kids who are like I was? Are we not supposed to meet their needs because they’re outliers from the average? The harsh reality is that our educational system is a numbers game. Unless you’re homeschooled, your teachers cannot have an entirely different educational program for you than they have for other children; so teachers (and principals, and superintendents, and committees that set state standards) try to set up a program that will benefit the most children the most, while still allowing for limited customization. I’ll be a teacher before too long. There may be a student in my class who believes that fiction is stupid, who believes she’ll never read a novel again once she leaves school, who believes it’s a waste of time. I’ll still require her to sit still for read-alouds, to discuss novels, and to submit an entry on the creative writing fourth-grade state test. There may be another student who thinks health class is stupid, who believse he’ll never have a child, who believes the doll thing is a waste of time. I’ll treat him exactly as I treat the girl who doesn’t like fiction. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/44 "2006-02-09T19:30:04Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > My entire class ended up not carrying them around, and the teacher feeling that she couldn’t fail us all, gave everybody Cs for the quarter. In my opinion, your teacher should have failed anyone who refused to participate, even if it meant flunking the entire class. High school is supposed to be the first level of preparation for the Real World, and out in the Real World, your superiors are likely going to ask you to do stupid and pointless tasks. Rebellion will only get you fired. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/45 "2006-02-09T19:35:48Z")
> [@Lissa](#): > > In my opinion, your teacher should have failed anyone who refused to participate, even if it meant flunking the entire class. I disagree with that. A teacher whose entire class is in rebellion is pretty clearly doing something wrong: this is not normal adolescent behavior. The only times I recall tsomething similar ever happening when I was a student, it was with an atrocious teacher. Rather than failing everyone, the teacher herself should have been put on probation, and a more experienced teacher should have come in and listened to the class’s grievances, given them a fair hearing, and then laid down the law. That, again, is what happened when I was a student and a class went into rebellion. It’s likely that the teacher in this instance was just doing an otherwise good activity in an extremely stupid fashion. In such a case, the teacher needs to fix her own act while someone else gets the students to fix theirs. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/46 "2006-02-09T20:09:27Z")
> [@](#): > > **Left Hand of Dorkness** said: > The harsh reality is that our educational system is a numbers game. Unless you’re homeschooled, your teachers cannot have an entirely different educational program for you than they have for other children; so teachers (and principals, and superintendents, and committees that set state standards) try to set up a program that will benefit the most children the most, while still allowing for limited customization. In PA those are called IEPs: Individual Education Plans. It was a fairly common thing for kids in my district who were either significantly above or below average to follow an IEP, designed by the school administration and a psychologist, and be removed from the mainstream curriculum when it was beneficial to the student to be placed elsewhere. > [@](#): > > I’ll still require her to sit still for read-alouds Ah yes, the exquisite torture of everyone in the class taking a turn reading out loud, verbatim, from the book. I used to volunteer to go first and use the rest as nap time. > [@](#): > > Rather than failing everyone, the teacher herself should have been put on probation, and a more experienced teacher should have come in and listened to the class’s grievances, given them a fair hearing, and then laid down the law. So listen to the students and then change nothing but still fail everyone? Yeah, that would’ve gone over well. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/47 "2006-02-09T20:26:53Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > In PA those are called IEPs: Individual Education Plans. It was a fairly common thing for kids in my district who were either significantly above or below average to follow an IEP, designed by the school administration and a psychologist, and be removed from the mainstream curriculum when it was beneficial to the student to be placed elsewhere. Naturally, a child with an IEP is going to have a different educational plan. These plans, however, do not give the child different areas of study; instead, the’re designed to allow children with emotional or intellectual difficulties (or, presumably, superpowers, although I’ve not heard of them being used in this fashion) to gain more out of their study of the topic than they’d get from the standard class study. In other words, supergenius kids might get to study infant nutritional needs or the neuroanatomy of developing brains and how it relates to the child’s needs and emotional development instead of carrying the flour bag. They wouldn’t get to study calculus instead. > [@](#): > > Ah yes, the exquisite torture of everyone in the class taking a turn reading out loud, verbatim, from the book. I used to volunteer to go first and use the rest as nap time. Ah, no. In educational terms, you’re talking about round-robin reading, which is going rapidly out of style. I see no good reason ever to have round-robin reading: the things it can accomplish can be better accomplished through alternate means. A read-aloud is when the teacher or other competent reader reads a book aloud to the class, demonstrating fluency, cmprehension, prosody, and other good reading habits to the students. For a college class, for example, all of us were required to give a read-aloud of a children’s book. Some students did so, demonstrating exactly how unfit they are to become a teacher (hint: if you’re reading in a stumbling monotone rife with miscues, consider a career in mall security or in rocket science, but not in teaching). One student read _Don’t Let the Pigeon Drive the Bus_ with such enthusiasm and fluency that she had the whole class shouting joyfully along with the book. For myself, I read a chapter from _Treasure Island_, and had several students tell me that it was the first time they’d understood why the book was a classic. Kids need to have books read aloud to them to help them understand how the language fits together to become beautiful. That’s what I was talking about. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/48 "2006-02-09T22:35:04Z")
Back to the OP. Should sex ed be taught outside the home? [YES.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=357959) That whole fuckin’ thread is my cite. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2006, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/49 "2006-02-09T23:52:17Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I disagree with that. A teacher whose entire class is in rebellion is pretty clearly doing something wrong: this is not normal adolescent behavior. Yes. I’ve been a teaching assistant in some college classes where the professor was absolutely clueless about what was a reasonable thing to ask students who were non-majors to do. There does need to be a feedback mechanism so that teachers can learn when they’re not being reasonable. Part of what you have to do in the Real World™ is letting someone know if they’ve given you a task that’s totally unreasonable to do in the time allotted, or if you think there might be a better way to accomplish a given goal. People who don’t do those things might get along well with egomaniacal managers who don’t want employee input, but they’d drive a reasonable manager crazy. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/50 "2006-02-10T03:40:54Z")
> [@](#): > > **Left Hand of Dorkness** said: > These plans, however, do not give the child different areas of study; instead, the’re designed to allow children with emotional or intellectual difficulties (or, presumably, superpowers, although I’ve not heard of them being used in this fashion) to gain more out of their study of the topic than they’d get from the standard class study. Actually, what they did was let me skip health class for about four years by putting me into things that were more interesting, like science, math and computer classes. Every _gifted student_ in the district followed an IEP that put them into classes where they were best suited. The students who were really good at art got to go to advanced art classes instead of some of the other stuff that the average kids were forced to do. The learning disabled kids with IEPs went for adaptive learning in the special education department. So no, they’re not just for ‘difficulties’. > [@](#): > > In other words, supergenius kids might get to study infant nutritional needs or the neuroanatomy of developing brains and how it relates to the child’s needs and emotional development instead of carrying the flour bag. They wouldn’t get to study calculus instead. No, I pretty much got to study the calculus instead. I did Greek Mythology in elementary school instead of health class and handwriting class. > [@](#): > > A read-aloud is when the teacher or other competent reader reads a book aloud to the class, demonstrating fluency, cmprehension, prosody, and other good reading habits to the students. There’s really nothing more painful than being read to by someone else. It doesn’t move the way I want it to, I get bored, and I take a nap. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/51 "2006-02-10T03:56:06Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Actually, what they did was let me skip health class for about four years by putting me into things that were more interesting, like science, math and computer classes. Every _gifted student_ in the district followed an IEP that put them into classes where they were best suited. The students who were really good at art got to go to advanced art classes instead of some of the other stuff that the average kids were forced to do. The learning disabled kids with IEPs went for adaptive learning in the special education department. So no, they’re not just for ‘difficulties’. Then your district was using “IEP” to refer to something different from what the term refers to in mainstream education. I won’t say they were using it incorrectly, but I will say that they probably were not following NCLB’s guidelines. > [@](#): > > There’s really nothing more painful than being read to by someone else. It doesn’t move the way I want it to, I get bored, and I take a nap. As I said, your experience is unusual to the extreme, and I’m not convinced that you’re an accurate self-reporter. I am, however, sure that we’re both thrilled that I’ll never be your teacher. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/52 "2006-02-10T12:06:54Z")
> [@](#): > > **Left Hand of Dorkness** said: > Then your district was using “IEP” to refer to something different from what the term refers to in mainstream education. I won’t say they were using it incorrectly, but I will say that they probably were not following NCLB’s guidelines. NCLB was passed by Congress and signed into law in 2001. I got my first IEP twenty-two years ago when I was six years old. By the time NCLB came around, I had gone through twelve IEPs (one a year), graduated from high school, graduated from the Pennsylvania Governor’s School for Health Care, and graduated from the University of Pittsburgh. So please tell me how could my school have been using IEP to refer to something different than ‘mainstream education’ and not following NCLB guidelines that **weren’t even thought of yet**? > [@](#): > > As I said, your experience is unusual to the extreme, and I’m not convinced that you’re an accurate self-reporter. Do you have any basis on which to accuse me of lying about my k-12 education? > [@](#): > > I am, however, sure that we’re both thrilled that I’ll never be your teacher. Since I am well beyond the years of school where that could ever be a possibility, I can only assume you are insultingly telling me that I’m acting like a fourth grader by telling you what I experienced. I hate to break it to you, but there are a great many people who do not like being read aloud to by anyone else. It starts to become annoying to be read to right around the time that you’re capable of just doing the reading yourself. This is, in my opinion, likely why books are still vastly more popular than books on tape or books on CD. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/53 "2006-02-10T13:12:52Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > NCLB was passed by Congress and signed into law in 2001. I got my first IEP twenty-two years ago when I was six years old. By the time NCLB came around, I had gone through twelve IEPs (one a year), graduated from high school, graduated from the Pennsylvania Governor’s School for Health Care, and graduated from the University of Pittsburgh. Disregard, then, my comments about NCLB. > [@](#): > > Do you have any basis on which to accuse me of lying about my k-12 education? Well, that gets into the heart of the problems I’m having with you using yourself as an example to refute the idea that sex ed and health classes are unnecessary. 1. As evidence to support your argument, pretty much all you’ve offered is anecdotes from your own life. Given my experience with you on these boards, I do not believe that your self-reporting is objective, accurate, balanced, or complete. But for me to go into the reasons why I believe this is true would require saying things that are inappropriate outside of the pit. All I can safely say is that I do not believe the cite is an unbiased one. 2. Your argument seems to boil down to the idea that Sex Ed and Health classes are unnecessary, with the evidence being, Look at Me, I Had Neither and I Turned Out Just Fine. Again, I disagree with the conclusions you draw from the evidence, but to disagree with these conclusions would require saying things inappropriate outside the pit. I think we’d be better off arguing this OP on the merits of objective evidence available from outside sources, not on our personal experiences. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/54 "2006-02-10T14:17:12Z")
Actually, had you been listening, my argument was that forced parenting classes in high school which cut time away from academic pursuits that could be more useful to those who are university/college and career minded and currently have some ability to choose which courses in high school would be most beneficial to them in the future. I have used myself as an example of one of these students because I know my own experiences better than I know someone else’s. I believe that it is an illustration of a one-size-fits-all solution not necessarily being best to serve the needs of individuals. Although it is not possible to individualize every single student’s education, perhaps it is possible to offer more of a ‘track’ solution, where there are a limited number of options available and students (with parental signature) have an ability to choose which ‘track’ to take? ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/55 "2006-02-10T15:25:39Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > There’s really nothing more painful than being read to by someone else. It doesn’t move the way I want it to, I get bored, and I take a nap. You’re going to have trouble in the business world, then. One day, you could be trapped in a meeting, listening to your co-workers read aloud their reports, and many of them won’t be fluent readers. I doubt highly your boss will appreciate your lack of attention. Being an adult means being bored and doing pointless tasks commanded by a bone-head supervisor who doesn’t give two shits for your opinion about it. It means being treated like a moron, even when you don’t deserve it and having to submit to it cheerfully. It matters little whethe you end up in a factory or an intellectual field-- every workplace has the same idiocies. Your school years are supposed to get you used to that. You may get away with your I’m-too-smart-for-this attitude while you’re young, but it will serve you poorly in the Real World. I’m sure you’ll reply that you know the difference and you will change your ways overnight when you get out of school, but methinks enough of the aura will linger to make things difficult for you. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/56 "2006-02-10T15:33:34Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Actually, had you been listening, my argument was that forced parenting classes in high school which cut time away from academic pursuits that could be more useful to those who are university/college and career minded and currently have some ability to choose which courses in high school would be most beneficial to them in the future. I understand what your argument is. WHere’s your evidence that what you suggest is pedagogically sound? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/57 "2006-02-10T16:25:37Z")
> [@](#): > > **Lissa** said: > You’re going to have trouble in the business world, then. One day, you could be trapped in a meeting, listening to your co-workers read aloud their reports, and many of them won’t be fluent readers. I doubt highly your boss will appreciate your lack of attention. You are aware that I am not a child, right? > [@](#): > > Being an adult means being bored and doing pointless tasks commanded by a bone-head supervisor who doesn’t give two shits for your opinion about it. It means being treated like a moron, even when you don’t deserve it and having to submit to it cheerfully. Really? I’ve always insisted on, and gotten, respect from the people I work for. I didn’t think that was so unusual. > [@](#): > > You may get away with your I’m-too-smart-for-this attitude while you’re young, but it will serve you poorly in the Real World. I’m sure you’ll reply that you know the difference and you will change your ways overnight when you get out of school, but methinks enough of the aura will linger to make things difficult for you. When I get out of school? The degree is hanging on the wall, and the title says Head of Netowrk Administration. You’re not talking to some kid who’s never had a full-time, professional job. Thanks. > [@](#): > > **Left Hand of Dorkness** said: > I understand what your argument is. WHere’s your evidence that what you suggest is pedagogically sound? The student-selected track system in high school has been working in actual practice in at least one high school that I know of for over 20 years. Should they change it now? ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/58 "2006-02-10T16:48:02Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > You are aware that I am not a child, right? No, I wasn’t. I apologize-- I thought you were still in high school. > [@](#): > > Really? I’ve always insisted on, and gotten, respect from the people I work for. I didn’t think that was so unusual. I guess it is to me, since I’ve never had to _insist_ anyone respect me. The entire idea seems bizarre. I’m there to do a job, period. Yes, I’ve had employers who treated me poorly, and knuckle-head bosses who asked me to do stupid things. I did them. I did not argue or try to bring them around to my point of view. If the situation seemed bad enough, I left. But then again, I have a luxury most don’t-- I can choose where, when, or even\*\* if \*\*I want to work. Most people depend on their job’s income and can’t leave if they’re unhappy. I’m not saying that you’re this way, but it’s been my experience that people who insist on some ephemeral notion of “respect” are usually the co-workers most difficult to deal with, attitude-wise. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/59 "2006-02-10T16:52:49Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > The student-selected track system in high school has been working in actual practice in at least one high school that I know of for over 20 years. Should they change it now? **catsix** , that’s not evidence, that’s hearsay. What’s this high school, and where can I read documents describing their “student-selected track system,” and where can I see the research showing its pedagogical soundness? This is an Internet discussion, so I’ll ask for online citations for your evidence. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2006, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986/60 "2006-02-10T18:52:50Z")
> [@](#): > > **Lissa** said: > No, I wasn’t. I apologize-- I thought you were still in high school. Fair enough. > [@](#): > > I guess it is to me, since I’ve never had to insist anyone respect me. The entire idea seems bizarre. I’m there to do a job, period. There’s basically one major asshole where I work who I had to demand respectful treatment from. He has an issue with anyone who’s younger than him, and therefore treats a lot of people here badly. He stopped acting like an ass to me when I had a talk with him, and has since been demoted to the point where he has little interaction with me at all. > [@](#): > > But then again, I have a luxury most don’t-- I can choose where, when, or even if I want to work. Most people depend on their job’s income and can’t leave if they’re unhappy. Right now I’m looking for a new position because I want to work for a bigger organization with a stronger network and more servers and stuff. Although there is always that ability, I do have to work to support myself. I don’t mind that in the least, and although I can’t live without an income, I’m certainly not unable to look for a new position. > [@](#): > > catsix, that’s not evidence, that’s hearsay. What’s this high school, and where can I read documents describing their “student-selected track system,” and where can I see the research showing its pedagogical soundness? This is an Internet discussion, so I’ll ask for online citations for your evidence. In the interest of my privacy, I’m not about to tell you where I went to high school, and even if I did, they don’t publish all of their documents online anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-sex-ed-be-taught-outside-the-home-if-so-where-when/342986.md?page=4)