Well, the Georgia Militia claimed otherwise, not to mention livestock stealing etc. . Mind you, I accept that their claims could be doubtful, but those stories kept filtering up to Washington. In any case, the main issue was the Georgia Militia attacking the Tribe, making the safety of the tribe a major issue.
And there’s no reason to get personal, I had to educate you on several items.
But don’t you see how morally and logically fucked up this statement is?
Your basic position is that, because the Georgia militia were attacking the Indians, the United States government was justified in forcing the Indians off their land, against their will, and sending them almost 1,000 miles west, for their own safety.
If you’re doing something legal, and I physically attack you, the police should not then arrest you for your own safety; they should prevent me from committing an act of violence against you. Governments professing republican values should work on similar principles.
Your argument is based on todays thoughts and ideals of a modern American. Not the American of 1838.
It is what I call “presentism”. Look, I said that today this would be a terrible idea. Back then, people were behind it- even most tribes went along due to the large payouts.
So let us not argue about the things of 1838 with the morals of 2020.
In any case- Jackson is the fall guy here. Yes, he was in favor of tribal relocation. But Adams started the process and Van Burens notoriously corrupt administration is directly responsible for the deaths along the Trail of Tears. At worst- Jackson has partial blame, but he is given all the blame.
His argument is very explicitly not based on contemporary values.
While we’re at it , using today’s yard stick, any building Named for JKK should be Renamed for any woman he abused. ( #metoo)
Are you referring to John K. Kennedy?
Yep. I meant J F K.
We definitely don’t want to name any buildings after his cousin, Kenneth K. Kennedy. 
I remember The Simpsons had Krusty’s Komedy Kavalcade, which did not go well (at the Apollo Theatre, no less).
I think to really answer this you first need to look at when the statues were put up…and for what reason. In the case of many Confederate statues, the timing was the turn of the last century…early 1900’s to the 1920’s or so. And the reason was twofold, IMHO…partly, it was to propagate the narrative of the lost cause and noble Confederates fighting for states rights against the evil Northern oppressors. So, IOW, it was to change the historical narrative and re-format that history to conform to that ideal. The other thing was to basically ensure white power over black people.
So, getting back to the question in the OP, no…the statues of Washington, Jefferson and Grant(!!) should definitely not be removed. I think those who are or have tried to remove them or deface them are, at best, ignorant idiots who are clueless and misguided and actually don’t really even understand why the Confederate statues are or were so offensive and why they needed to come down. They also don’t get the irony, at least in Grant’s case, as a lot of folks who put up those Confederate statues and supported or support keeping them up would LOVE to have those statues torn down especially.
You mean all the women that fell at his feet, begging to be had by the Handsome President? Not “abuse”.
Is it your opinion that we honor JFK for his abuse of women? Can you provide a cite for that? Because I think we honor him for his support of civil rights.
Contrast this with Lee, for example, who is being honored for betraying his oath to the United States in order to kill Americans to protect the right to own black people.
Yes. Ken Burns was expelled from the Sons of Confederate Veterans (which he had a right to be a member of, as he has Confederate soldier ancestors) some years ago when he said it was odd that so many people venerated Robert E. Lee, who after all “was responsible for the deaths of more loyal Americans than Hitler and Tojo combined.”
Yeah, that guy who slept with a mob boss’ mistress, Marilyn Monroe etc, while married. Sure that guy.
I’m not sure I can get behind defining marital infidelity as “abuse.”
Infidelity is a sin in some religions. Abusing women is a crime most everywhere. You have moved those goalposts to the 50 yard line.
I think the more relevant question is whether we ought to put an end to practice of glorifying individuals in sculpture in public places in the first place. It’s a lot more difficult to have frank discussions about a historical figure’s good and bad sides when they are represented by a form that only emphasizes their greatness.
I admit that I’m squeamish about doing away with statues of presidents and founders and other non-Confederate figures, but I’m white. And I’m willing to do without them and see how it all plays out. I think it’s silly to be so hysterically attached to a bunch of statues and to equate their continued existence with the maintaining of some kind of “reason.” It’s all arbitrary and we can remember these people in any way society currently sees fit.
Side note: the Lincoln and T. Roosevelt statues that are coming down are not just of the men themselves, they depict black and native Americans as subservient figures and are, frankly, embarrassing. I have no problem with them coming down.
To clarify: I’m saying that maybe it’s time to find a new way to memorialize significant historical figures. We can do it.
This is I think the best answer. Washington and Jefferson did do some really bad things in keeping and exploiting slaves - Washington for one was cognizant that keeping slave in Philadelphia (the US capital at the time) for a certain amount of time would automatically free them - so he made sure to move his slaves around to avoid freeing any of his slaves, and Jefferson raped his slaves. However, we have put up statues to them to honor them for other things - namely the founding of this country. Confederate statutes, AFAIK, honor them for treason and fighting for slavery and white supremacy (the era when they were put up provides a good hint as to that). So I think there is a good delination.
I’d like to see the speech(es) that were given at the confederate “heroes” statue unveilings. Dollars to donuts those speeches specifically state the racist malarkey without apology.
I do know you are 100% about why they were put up when they were, and there is no doubt as to why (some white) people today are upset about them being removed.