# Should the democrats distance themselves from Hollywood? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268 "2018-06-17T17:08:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/21 "2018-06-17T21:03:03Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sodomy is probably a good bit more welcomed by the people on the other side of the aisle. “Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun. Hey Hillary [Clinton], you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/22 "2018-06-17T21:05:08Z")
Really? Maybe less ridiculed on the left. Anyway, you’ll have to take it up with Ted “relevant” Nugent as it was his notion. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/23 "2018-06-17T22:18:32Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > DeNiro probably should have suggested shoving a gun up Trump’s ass. That’s the kind of shit that is welcomed by Republicans. Only if the front sight is filed off, and sanded. Otherwise, its kind of perverted. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/24 "2018-06-17T22:25:50Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sodomy is probably a good bit more welcomed by the people on the other side of the aisle. Oooh. Snap. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/25 "2018-06-17T23:23:37Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > What you cited says “accused” No, the post I quoted says ‘credibly accused’. Since he has not been convicted or even charged, my statement is correct. ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/26 "2018-06-17T23:44:32Z")
No. Because allies should stand together. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/27 "2018-06-18T00:12:18Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, the post I quoted says ‘credibly accused’. Since he has not been convicted or even charged, my statement is correct. What the hell are you talking about? I said nothing about criminal charges or conviction. And why didn’t you respond to my post? I stated facts and one entirely reasonable opinion. I don’t need criminal convictions or charges to state my opinion about the credibility of the accusations. Further, it’s a fact that Trump bragged about sexual assault and violating the consent of women. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/28 "2018-06-18T00:41:50Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > “Obama, he’s a piece of shit. I told him to suck on my machine gun. Hey Hillary [Clinton], you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.” Did Nugent say this before or after he was invited to the White House? **Urbanredneck** or **Huricane Ditka** , do you know? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/29 "2018-06-18T00:59:23Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, the post I quoted says ‘credibly accused’. Since he has not been convicted or even charged, my statement is correct. [Eighteen women](http://time.com/5058646/donald-trump-accusers/) have accused Trump of sexual assault. So he has been accused. Accused does not mean convicted or even charged. He has been accused. You will have to tell us what the bar is for “credible” in your opinion. Note that many of these women made these allegations looong before Trump ran for president. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/30 "2018-06-18T01:11:27Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, the post I quoted says ‘credibly accused’. Since he has not been convicted or even charged, my statement is correct. No, your statement is not correct. Trump himself admitted on camera to committing sexual assault. That’s far beyond the standard for ‘credibly accused’. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/31 "2018-06-18T01:16:45Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You will have to tell us what the bar is for “credible” in your opinion. Note that many of these women made these allegations looong before Trump ran for president. Obviously, he’s never been charged or convicted, so the allegations are not credible. On that note, neither have been Weinstein or Franken, so they’re free and clear to do whatever they want as well, right? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/32 "2018-06-18T03:22:43Z")
Yeah, it’s not like Trump’s a celebrity or has any Hollywood connections or anything like that. No sirree. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/33 "2018-06-18T04:01:40Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Obviously, he’s never been charged or convicted, so the allegations are not credible. On that note, neither have been Weinstein or Franken, so they’re free and clear to do whatever they want as well, right? Weinstein has been charged. And, no, democrats should not distance themselves from Hollywood because DeNiro said “fuck Trump”. Everyone should say fuck Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/34 "2018-06-18T06:38:41Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Obviously, he’s never been charged or convicted, so the allegations are not credible. On that note, neither have been Weinstein or Franken, so they’re free and clear to do whatever they want as well, right? So let me see if I have this straight. You shouldn’t charge somebody unless there is a credible allegation against them. And no allegation is credible until the person has been charged. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/35 "2018-06-18T07:40:36Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, the post I quoted says ‘credibly accused’. Since he has not been convicted or even charged, my statement is correct. Your statement in response to that post was: > [@Quartz](#): > > Since he has not been convicted you cannot so state. Now, the fact that he has not been convicted means that one cannot [validly] state that he has been convicted. And the fact that he has not been charged means that one cannot [again, validly] state that he has been charged. Neither of those facts means that one cannot state that people have accused him of those things, particularly when it is a matter of public record that people HAVE said he did them (and in certain instances, he has claimed to have done them). You appear to be asserting that adding the modifier “credibly” to the fact of the public accusations changes the meaning of “accused” to “officially charged and/or convicted.” This is a preposterous position to take. There are two (and ONLY two) requirements for making a statement that a credible accusation has been made. The first is that an accusation has been made (it has). The second is that the accusation be credible, (and not necessarily in a court of law, or in a Grand Jury’s hearing, or even in a criminal investigator’s office. Credible to a reasonable observer who learns particulars of the accusation is perfectly sufficient [it is]). ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/36 "2018-06-18T07:54:17Z")
Ignoring this pointless and stupid sidetrack (no, it’s not credible at all when a man who bragged about sexual assault gets accused of it by 18 different people, of _course_ not, please stop dignifying incredibly stupid claims like this with a response)… What the democrats do to distance or buddy up with hollywood is likely to have astonishingly little impact on what those celebrities think. You think Pelosi or Clinton or anyone else _asked_ DeNiro nicely to stand up and say “Fuck Trump”? Obviously not. The man had a loudspeaker and an opinion, and he _used_ that loudspeaker. Hell, if I was in his position, I might have been a bit more genteel about it, but I would have done much the same. Meanwhile, who is this affecting? [ul] [li]People who care about politics? Ha, as if - they already have their opinions on Trump, and DeNiro being a bit mean isn’t likely to change that (as the above twitter thread pointed out, if you’re aware that Trump has been credibly accused of sexual assault by over a dozen people and still consider someone saying “fuck Trump” to be an issue even on your radar, you’re probably a hardline partisan and don’t care about Trump committing sexual assault anyways).[/li][li]People who don’t really care about politics but do care about celebrity culture? Congratulations, they just got exposed to the fact that a celebrity they may or may not like really hates the president. In fact, they get that message from most of the celebrities they’re exposed to. How is this a bad thing? DeNiro is just doing what countless people do on twitter every fucking day - the difference is that he has a huge reach and a massive audience who hang on his words. [/li][li]People who don’t really care celebrity culture? Why do they care what a celebrity has to say about politics to begin with?[/li][/ul] The fact that people with huge numbers of fans and a big megaphone are consistently spreading a pro-democrat, anti-republican message is almost certainly not a bad thing. And of course, it kinda goes without saying that republicans have celebrities supporting them, and that many of those celebrities are fucking nutjobs in ways that make DeNiro look like fuckin’ Neil DeGrasse Tyson - say what you will about “Fuck Trump”, but it’s a far cry from “If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year.” or “susan rice is a man with big swinging ape balls”. But I have yet to see anyone demand that the republican party divulge itself of, say, Tim Allen, so… ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/37 "2018-06-18T08:53:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So let me see if I have this straight. You shouldn’t charge somebody unless there is a credible allegation against them. And no allegation is credible until the person has been charged. I’m just taking **Quartz** ’s logic to it’s inevitable conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/38 "2018-06-18T09:59:05Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Did Nugent say this before or after he was invited to the White House? **Urbanredneck** or **Huricane Ditka** , do you know? In case Urbanredneck doesn’t know, I’ll answer this. He said it before. And rather than finding Republicans distance themselves from him, he found them embracing him. So much so that the gal he attended the White House with was the same gal who was the Republican vice presidential candidate running against Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/39 "2018-06-18T11:25:43Z")
I don’t think the Democrats distancing themselves from Hollywood would make a damn bit of difference to anything. OTOH, I’d really like celebrities to stop using their brief moments in front of the global media to hold forth on whatever’s on their minds, particularly if it’s nothing constructive. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268/40 "2018-06-18T11:50:14Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > In the light of Robert Denirr’s anti-Trump rant actor/activist Rob Reiner has gone on record saying such acts basically hand the country over to Trump. or as he puts it [“There’s a very fine line between energizing the base and energizing the other side”.](https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Rob-Reiner-Shreds-Robert-De-Niro-for-His-F-13000959.php) > > So I’d like to ask. Should democrats distance themselves from Hollywood? > > This was also brought up with the [Harvey Weinstein mess as democrats](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/10/17/the-democratic-partys-obsession-with-hollywood-celebrities-was-bound-to-blow-up/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.db9ca5cddfe5) , who was a top democratic fund raiser, suddenly has to explain their close relationship. > > Quite frankly, when I see outbursts like Deniro made and the audience all giving him a standing ovation I have to ask - do I really want such people running my state? Years ago when Micheal Moore was slamming Bush at the Academy Awards at least he got a few boos. To say this at a time when the Republicans are openly embracing somebody as vile and repugnant as Trump, is laughable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-democrats-distance-themselves-from-hollywood/816268.md?page=3)