Don’t you watch Southpark? All crimes are hate crimes. 
Repeat with me: “the end does not justify the means”
I cringe when someone says withholding information from people will give them a better idea of things… That is what they do in China and Cuba and I don’t like it.
In any case, a bigot is a bigot and do you think withholding the racial information from him is going to change that? It works in his favor as now he can believe all crimes are commited by those he dislikes and how can you contradict him?
If the guy says to me “all crimes are committed by blacks” I do not have the information to contradict him.
From REUTERS:
Defendants David Rowe, 24, and Tremayne Bane, 23, were released on $10,000 bail and ordered to make another court appearance Friday. Prosecutors charged Rowe and Bane, who have no criminal record, with aggravated sexual abuse, sexual abuse and robbery.
Sounds like a couple of Puerto Ricans to me. Not.
So, a description here would have vindicated the minority.
I just saw footage of the NY thing and most if not all of the men involved looked PR and/or black.
Regardless of race, I just do not understand how people can be like that. It makes me sick. Isn’t there one man who will speak up and say “STOP, this is wrong!”
I still remember the video of that man pulled out of his truck and hit on the head with a rock during the LA riots and it still makes me sick.
Anyway, I guess this thread is about something else so let’s get back to that.
I want my signature back!
According to both the NEWS and the TIMES this morning, additional women have come forward to report being stripped and/or manhandled near Central Park on Sunday afternoon (the NEWS says nine more; the TIMES says fifteen more). One of the victims was a 14-year-old.
The TIMES (it’s not called the Old Grey Lady for nothin’) has done a 45-degree shift in its coverage, now focusing on the fact that the cops assigned to monitor the parade didn’t seem to give much of a shit that a roving gang of 25 men were sexually abusing women in a random fashion.
According to the NEWS, “veteran cops blamed a department policy of giving more space to Puerto Rican revelers to avoid confronations with a mostly white police force.”
Both the Mayor and the Police Commissioner denied that Puerto Rican paradegoers were treated differently from revelers at other ethnic extravaganzas, citing statistics such as 2,500 cans of beer confiscated and 100 bottles of liquor seized.
Oh, yeah. Still no descriptions printed.
Although, to be fair, we’re not talking about a group of violent repeat sex offenders here. Just a buncha serious assholes.
That’s not entirly correct.
From E.R. Shipp, Ombudsman, May 7, 2000
Which is apparently similar to the policy attributed to the Toronto Star.
SterlingNorth, the OP is about mentioning the race of criminal suspects and that is what the thread is about and I provided a link to the crime section of the Washington Post where you can see they don’t either so, in the context of this thread, what I said stands.
The Post say they will provide race in police descriptions of suspects being sought and it would be comical if they censored that vital information.
I would applaud the issue of race being not mentioned where ever it is irrelevant, for example applications for jobs, universities etc. For me it’s all or nothing. I try to be consistent.
Which right now is a bit of a useless link. It changes dynamically. Of the first four links two are articles are eulogizing Monsignor Thomas Wells (a prominate priest), another gives the name of someone already arrested and indited and a fourth is an anticipatory article…
Wait, didn’t you say that “The Washington Post does not report race either.”?
Is their a distinction that I don’t know about? The article said that race is used as a discription when there is enough information to narrow down the list of potential suspects. I’ve seen them say “A black man in his thirtys 5’6” to 6’ tall, with a goatee" etc.
I read the OP and it appears they are using the police descriptions too, but stripping the racial information.
As is, I stand by Ms. Shipp
SterlingNorth
SterlingNorth, you are looking for an argument from me and I havent a clue how to contradict you as the facts are there and we agree on them. The Post does not report race of criminal suspects unless it is in the context of a description of a suspect who is being searched for. That is what the OP is about and that is what I said the Post does and your post corroborates that. If you want an argument from me can you please at least contradict me?
I do not know why you would call that a “useless link”. On the right there is a form where you put in the area, crime type, time period, and you get the listing of crimes which you can then select and read. Those are the crime reports we are talking about. Or are we talking about something else and I am confused?
Of course race should be indicated if relevant. Or, how about going the other way and always indicating race. I say this because it seems to me (and this is only an observation, not a proven fact) that race is usually mentioned only if the person is not white.
If in our society the assumption was all criminals are white except for when we are told otherwise, then mentioning ethnicity other than white would be fine. This is not the case. We assume a criminal to be of some ethnic group to begin with and mentioning the race of the criminal only reaffirms this belief.
So the solution is to have all reports mention all races at all times.
Pink, isn’t this usually the case in the NY media where they’re dealing with, say, a serial rapist? “Police are looking for a stocky man, about 5’10”, white, with a short brown goatee, last seen wearing a ‘Nitty Gritty Dirt Band’ tee-shirt" ?
I mean all the time.
e.g. From the New York Times
Closing the government’s tax-fraud case in frank and forceful language, a federal prosecutor accused Albert J. Pirro, Jr today of arrogantly cheating on his taxes. . .
should read . . .Albert J. Pirro, Jr a white male, today of arroganlty. . .
or (also from the Times)Prosecutors have charged dozens of people with using stock manipulation, fraud and violence to steal from thousands of investors across the country. . .
Here also there is no mention of ethnicity.
I only have the New York Times in front of me today. If I had the Daily News and the Post I’m sure I could find many more examples of “the ethnicity gap”.
Ahh, ** Oldscratch **, the irony. As a matter of fact, the local news in NYC just last night was cutting stills out of the various videotapes of the rampage, apparently at the request of the police, who want the public’s help in finding suspects. (the police brass are very embarrassed about this). Guess what? All the suspects are ethnic minorities.
So, because your local newspaper chose not to give you all the information, you are left to make the assumption that Divemaster made a (possibly racist) assumption that the perps were not white. Turns out that Divemaster was right, most likely because his local paper chose to give him more information that yours did.
In this particular case, the race of the perps is vital, IMHO. If nothing else, it should give the leaders of NYC’s Puerto Rican community the incentive to take back their parade, which is intended to be a celebration of Puerto Rican pride and culture. Community self-policing is always best (not a plug for vigilantism).
V.
Actually divemaster got the info from the radio. Until I hear otherwise from divemaster I stand by my assertation that he mad an assumption about the race of the suspects. At the time that he made his post, no information had yet been released.
I’ll clarify.
Yes, I heard about the incident on the radio. Howard Stern to be precise. I had read nothing in the paper at all about this incident at the time.
I made no initial assumption myself at all involving race. My only assumption was that Stern, a New Yorker, knew what he was talking about. Foolish? Perhaps. To be honest, although I know a little about Stern from hearsay, that particular morning was the only time I’ve ever listened to his radio show. Maybe he talks out of his ass all the time.
My error, if was was an error, was in believing a NY shock jock would be clued in on what was going on in his back yard. Was he guessing himself as to the ethnicity, or did he get his information from the NY media? I still don’t know the answer to that one.
As pointed out, if the media has indicated race up front, all this would have been moot.