# Should the New Pornographers change their name ASAP? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 18, 2025, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181 "2025-04-18T18:06:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/41 "2025-04-20T19:40:23Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Pornography is by adults for adults. > Kiddies are not consenting porn actors. Call it what it is. Child sexual abuse, for the pleasuring of deviant criminal scumbag adults. Your own personal definition that nobody else uses is not something you can demand of people. There is no accepted definition of “pornography” that limits it to a particular age range. Child pornography and child abuse are not different things. Child pornography is a _form_ of child abuse. Demanding that people call it “abuse” instead of “pornography” is just demanding that they be nonspecific. People understand that child pornography is abuse. That’s why it’s illegal and dealt with harshly. That’s why being caught as a consumer and/or producer of it destroys a person socially. That’s why the vast majority of people only use the term with disgust. We know how horrible it is, nobody is trying to normalize it or minimize how bad it is. That’s why this thread even exists in the first place. Any association with it, even indirect, is stigmatizing. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/42 "2025-04-20T19:59:01Z")
> **[Why language matters: why we should never use ‘child pornography’ and always...](https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/news/why-language-matters/child-sexual-abuse-material)** > > This blog post looks at the significant impact of using the term 'child sexual abuse material' instead of ‘child pornography’ which diminishes the seriousness of the crime. It is aimed at anyone working in the wider child protection sphere (in any... Just Fighting ignorance here. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/43 "2025-04-20T20:00:26Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Just Fighting ignorance here. And coming across as being very upset or angry with your fellow Dopers in the process. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/44 "2025-04-20T20:06:15Z")
Really angry and upset? No just adamant. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/45 "2025-04-20T20:06:27Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Just Fighting ignorance here. So someone else shares your opinion. Big whoop. Most of the world doesn’t. Forcing your opinion is not fighting ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/46 "2025-04-20T20:07:08Z")
Most of the world? You are connected big time. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/47 "2025-04-20T20:07:48Z")
> [@chela](#): > > You are connected big time. Yup, connected via the internet which is pretty big, so your statement is accurate. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/48 "2025-04-20T20:11:35Z")
And depending on one’s proclivities that internet connection could be skewed towards inaccuracies and unsavory rabbit holes. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/49 "2025-04-20T20:12:57Z")
> [@chela](#): > > unsavory rabbit holes Well this is the SDMB after all. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/50 "2025-04-20T20:13:11Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Yup, connected via the internet which is pretty big, so your statement is accurate. FWIW, I have seen this phrase in the wild before. It is one of the latest ways to smugly insist to people that they are Englishing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/51 "2025-04-20T20:39:16Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > But today might’ve been the last straw. Their drummer, who has been with them for the last few albums, was arrested after photographing young boys in a Chick-fil-A bathroom. The next band meeting is going to be awkward. “Joe, I’m pretty sure we covered this in orientation, but do you recall what’s the first rule of New Pornographers? It’s really simple.” ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/52 "2025-04-20T20:43:23Z")
Many years ago, I read a magazine article about Iron Maiden, and one of the members said they’d gotten a package of tracts, books, and a Bible, and one of the books was “Music: The New Pornography” by (of all people) Jimmy Swaggart, pre-arrest, and one of the band members was on the cover. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/53 "2025-04-20T20:45:10Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@Stephe96](#): > > > > A name change might be good. > > The New Pornographers Minus One Is it too late for me to suggest _The Informed and Consenting Adult Pornographers_? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/54 "2025-04-20T20:46:42Z")
What did she think his “other stuff” was? Just curious. Don’t blame her for living in fear. Chances are, she was afraid of him beforehand. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/55 "2025-04-20T21:57:10Z")
Moderating: This thread is about the band, the new pornographers. The discussion on what words to use to describe the actions of the member who was who was caught with sexual images of children has gone on more than long enough. I apologize for my part of that hijack. If you want to keep discussing that, please take it to another thread. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/56 "2025-04-23T06:28:28Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Neko Case was in them for a while. Still is, AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/57 "2025-04-23T13:38:06Z")
Huh. I guess she is, though she seems way more focused on her solo work now. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/58 "2025-04-23T13:42:09Z")
She sang lead on _most_ of the songs on their last album (just two years ago), what more do you want from her? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/59 "2025-04-23T14:39:15Z")
She constantly shifted between solo and band albums in the last 20 years or so, so there never has been a notable preference for her. I really like her music, and it’s sad that her and her bandmates’ reputations got tainted by their asshole drummer. Fuck this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2025, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-new-pornographers-change-their-name-asap/1017181/60 "2025-04-23T19:02:07Z")
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