# Should the North admit we lost the Civil War **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 9, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717 "2004-09-09T02:01:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![PussyCow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/22d042/32.png) [@PussyCow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PussyCow)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/41 "2004-09-14T01:48:47Z")
Although I would like to thank Indiana for being a part of the Underground Railroad. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/42 "2004-09-14T02:46:19Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > But, if it makes your insecure little self feel a bit better, I’m working on getting the hell north as soon as I can land a job back in the land of turn signals and fully-pronouced syllables. > > -Joe Hell’s a-far, Boy. Don’t hang around these parts when joy and a job are jus’ waitin’ fer ya’ a little ways up hi-way 61. I’d hit the road tonight if I was you. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/43 "2004-09-14T12:07:09Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Why do I hate you so much? You just demonstrated it. > > -Joe Well, at least you’re honest enough to admit you’re a pointy-headed little bigot. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/44 "2004-09-14T13:00:10Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Well, at least you’re honest enough to admit you’re a pointy-headed little bigot. Golly, you’ve got to love the smell of **GREAT DEBATES** in the morning. I just went back and reread my message. Amazing how a message that said, essentially, ‘Give them what they want, just so long as they shut the hell up about it’, followed by a line about how nobody alive (nor their parents or grandparents) was actually alive at the time could elicit such a response. Poor little whiner. I suggest therapy. That’s one of them fancy city thangs. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/45 "2004-09-14T16:54:53Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Golly, you’ve got to love the smell of **GREAT DEBATES** in the morning. > > I just went back and reread my message. Amazing how a message that said, essentially, ‘Give them what they want, just so long as they shut the hell up about it’, followed by a line about how nobody alive (nor their parents or grandparents) was actually alive at the time could elicit such a response. > > Poor little whiner. I suggest therapy. That’s one of them fancy city thangs. > > -Joe No, you said, \* “Why do I hate you so much?” \* That was a very clear admission that you hate Southerners. I quoted that statement in my message, and your stupidly dishonest response was to refer to an \* entirely different post \*than the one to which I was responding. The sentiments you’ve expressed here and and other threads are quite ugly and small-minded. You are indulging yourself in shameless and indecent bigotry. Only a fool would fail to see it. Mods, I think it’s either time to close this thread or move it to the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/46 "2004-09-14T17:50:21Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Mods, I think it’s either time to close this thread or move it to the Pit. Yeah, I think more of your whining is just unnecessary. It’s too bad that you and your ilk have so much trouble letting go of something that happened a hundred years before you were born. That was, of course, my original complaint. And then you whine further. Whatever. -Joe, wonders if anyone wants to know another name for the ‘Brazil Nut’ ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/47 "2004-09-14T17:55:54Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] This was never much of a debate in the first place, and it’s just a pile o’ pissiness now. Off to the Pit. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/48 "2004-09-14T18:08:27Z")
> [@2sense](#): > > ## While the OP is needlessly confrontational I had no problem determining what it meant. **KVLD** is assuming that if the nation were split in 2 the North would be less conservative than the South and we could compare rightwing policies with the more moderate and liberal alternatives. She is suggesting that without the political weight of the more progressive Northern populace the South would turn into a hell hole with state-sponsored religion, social intollerance, the elimination of social programs, highly regressive taxation, deficit spending, deregulated fiscal institutions, unlimited pollution, shitty infrastructure, or some such thing. It’s an unpleasant proposition to consider but it is debateable. And aside from one snipe at the attitude of the OP, that was what my first post here was attempting to debate, as did **Martin Hyde**. However, the idea of a wit-laden pile-on of not only the **Latex Division** but the entire **Kel Varnsen** operation was irresistible to many Dopers. That said, let me question **Gaudere** (since the thread is now in the right location for questioning moderator decisions) – why move this to the Pit? IMO it deserves locking – if anyone wants to pit **Karl** for his efforts to push sectional superiority attitudes, they certainly are capable of instituting such a thread, as has been amply proven by the Pitting of almost everybody over the years. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/49 "2004-09-14T19:06:51Z")
\*\*Poly \*\* already covered why your OP is a joke in his original post to this thread so I don’t have much to add to this conversation except a personal _fuck you_ since this is now in the appropiate forum. If people on both sides would just drop the issue and all its permuations, maybe we (as a nation) could finally get over it already. Besides, the fucking war was to preserve the Union in the first place. Why fight it and then render its outcome invalid a hundred fifty years later just because, in your bigoted mind, all Southerners are equivalent to the asshole in office? ---
**Author:** ![rolandgunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cdc98d/32.png) [@rolandgunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rolandgunslinger)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717/50 "2004-09-14T23:27:14Z")
> [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#): > > Should the North just go ahead an admit that we lost the Civil War and let the South go and have fun with their own poor ass country? The South could live with their nice conservative values and Bush economic policies and we will just see which country is nicer place to live. I have an even better idea…Why dont you admit your an ASSHOLE, go bury yourself in poop, and whistle Dixie. :wally Or you could tell us why you _Really_ hate the South… While your thinking of something…I’ll be having a nice big glass of sweet tea. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-north-admit-we-lost-the-civil-war/263717.md?page=2)