# Should the U.S. take our ball and go home? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 8, 2002, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-u-s-take-our-ball-and-go-home/141367 "2002-12-08T22:12:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![zigaretten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/91b2a8/32.png) [@zigaretten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zigaretten)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-u-s-take-our-ball-and-go-home/141367/41 "2002-12-09T10:34:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chumpsky \* > Yes, but there were some, let’s see, 800 years in between there when it was Rome who was expanding and was the aggressor. 508 BCE….Rome attacked by Etruscans 329 BCE….Rome attacked by Samnites 310 BCE….Rome attacked by Etruscans 218 BCE….Hannibal 190 BCE….Syria ~100….the Roxolani ~170….see Marcus Aurelius in my last post 182….the Bastarnae 376….the Visigoths ~400….the Roxolani again 400….the Huns Obviously, this list is not exhaustive, and I’m not even going to begin to try to list all the incursions which occurred after 400. > [@](#): > > Yes, obviously. I do think there was some provocation, however. > > In reality, though, it is the U.S. that is constantly threatening North Korea, placing the country on an “axis of evil,” lists of countries who sponsor terrorism, etc. In the mythology, the roles are reversed. Doesn’t the US have “some provocation” for listing North Korea as a “terrorist nation”? (And are you aware that they have been on the list since 1988?) – Downing of airliner, November 29, 1987. North Korean agents planted a bomb aboard Korean Air Lines Flight 858, which subsequently crashed into the Indian Ocean. – Kimpo Airport bombing, September 14, 1986. North Korean agents detonated an explosive device at Seoul’s Kimpo Airport, killing five persons and injuring 29 others. – North Korean murder squad, October 9, 1983. North Korean agents blew up a delegation from South Korea in Rangoon, Burma, killing 21 persons and injuring 48. Etc., etc., etc……from Encyclopédie du terrorisme international (Thierry Vareilles) > [@](#): > > Yes…in Africa. Africans attacking the British in Africa. Ummm….wasn’t that the whole point of your “lonely fort out in the wilderness” analogy? I’m not familiar with any British “myth” that the Zulu are about to land at Dover and march on London. Now, the French or the Germans, that’s another story, but that fear wasn’t exactly a myth either, was it? (Aside - I don’t watch very many movies and if keep using them I’m not going to be able to play.) > [@](#): > > A “rather minor historical non-event”? Five landings to fight with the White Russians is a non-event? Well, in the U.S. this event has been consigned to the memory hole, but in Russia it is considered an event, of sorts. Well, there’s no point in arguing whether the Siberian expedition was significant or not because it boils down to ones definition of “significant”, but [here](http://www.militaria.com/8th/WW1/siberia.html) is a pretty good summary. You might especially note the line: “Baker handed Graves a sealed envelope which contained President Woodrow Wilson’s Aide-memoire of future United States’ policy in Russia, non-intervention in the sovereignty of Russia and her internal affairs.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-the-u-s-take-our-ball-and-go-home/141367.md?page=2)