Ask the whites in Zimbabwe or South Africa. Is that the future you want for us?
That’s not the only reason, but it’s got a lot to do with it. Why is it okay for a Mexican to want America to be more brown, but wrong for me to want America to be more white?
What Mexican wants America to be more brown?
Lots of people want America to be more diverse. That doesn’t mean they want it to have more of their own people.
The radical demographic shifts taking place in the United States today are due largely to immigration, not birth rates, and immigration can be controlled. The dispossession of whites is not inevitable, and it certainly isn’t desireable. Unless maybe you just hate whites. (That’s a generic you; I don’t mean to imply you hate whites.)
If you don’t mind most of the country turning into Detroit and South Central L.A., I guess it wouldn’t make any difference to you. But anyone who doesn’t care about his children and grandchildren living in such a country has something horribly wrong with him.
Never heard of La Raza? You somehow missed that huge demonstration of Mexicans waving Mexican flags and trampling on the American flag? Never heard of Aztlan?
And what the hell do we need diversity for? There are many problems and no advantages in diversity whatsoever. All this blabbering about how wonderful diversity is just a lot of happy talk. And anyway most people don’t want America to be “more diverse,” i.e. less white.
Of course I’ve heard of La Raza. It explicitly rejects the Aztlan concept.
Never said they embraced it. But they do want to keep the borders wide open so more Hispanics can get in. Others are not going to stop practicing racial and ethnic politics just because whites do. And the gains they make will necessarily be our loss.
What exactly are you afraid of? Will you be forced to listen to ranchera music while being force fed menudo?
What will you lose? What privileges? Do you equate equal rights for all as a loss for anglos?
I do not fear, sir, I object. I object to Anglo-American culture being displaced by Latin American culture. I object to my people being made second class citizens in the country our ancestors founded. I object to Mexicans who drive without licenses, insurance or proper registration, and then flee when they get in an accident, often the result of their own drunkeness. I object to Mexicans using forged or stolen Social Security numbers to get jobs and welfare. I object to Mexicans ignoring zoning laws, keeping livestock in their backyards and living with fifteen or twenty people in a two bedroom apartment or mobile home, turning formerly pleasant Anglo working class neighborhoods into third world slums. I object to the shanty towns sprouting up all over the southwest. I object to the American flag being trampled upon in a mass demonstration. I object to illegal Mexicans demanding the same rights as citizens. I object to American states taking on the expense and burden of educating the children of illegal Mexicans in their own language. I object to teachers devoting disproportionate time to those children because of the language barriers, time which will be taken away from the children of my family. I object to the money that will have to be spent to educate your children, money which should have gone to educate ours. I object to illegal Mexicans being educated in our colleges and universities when Anglos are being turned away. I object to illegal Mexicans going to emergency rooms for routine medical care and then skipping out on the bills, and I object to the closing of emergency rooms because the cost of having to treat those illegals is too high. I object to Mexican women pregnant out of wedlock, in my county illegally, who expect Anglos to pay the bills for their little bastards. I object to illegal Mexicans taking work away from Americans in the middle of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. I object to Mexicans disrupting Columbus Day parades. I object to the open, vicious hostility that many Mexicans in the United States, both legal and illegal, show to Anglos. I object to the low-level ethnic cleansing that Mexicans are committing against blacks in Los Angeles (unlike you, the blacks actually have a right to be there). I object to a Mexican army unit in the pay of a drug cartel assaulting an American National Guard unit. I object to Mexicans throwing rocks and bottles across the border at American border patrol agents, and I applaud the shooting of one of them. I object to the massive, mind boggling hypocrisy of the Mexican government complaining loudly about America’s treatment of Mexican illegals when their own treatment of illegals in Mexico is absolutely atrocious.
Do you mean to say that you wouldn’t resent it fiercely if Anglos were doing this to your country?
I will lose my civilization and my culture. And spare me your vacuous rhetoric about “equal rights.” It isn’t “equal rights” you’re talking about, it’s the blatant violation of my country’s laws, and the theft of America’s resources, resources which should have gone to American citizens. Your idea of “equal rights” is to the right to take whatever you please from Anglos, and then spit in our faces.
You are not afraid. You are scared shitless.
You approve of Anglos having their country taken away from them? C’mon, admit it. What you really want is for the Anglos to be driven into the sea.
You are a simple minded racist. There is no possibility of intelligent debate here. You will go to your grave believing your nonsense.
I see you conveniently deleted your hateful rant.
(shrug) You hate Anglos. Admit it.
It’s not a question of equal rights for all. It is whether the US should lower its immigration numbers. I think there is a powerful case that it should, at the very least, reduce the number of unskilled migrants. The reasons are set out in detail above, but essentially the grounds include:
- reduced economic competitiveness (see data on the achievement gaps & educational outcomes above)
- increased carbon footprint as the US population grows
- increased crime as high school drop outs are more at risk of joining gangs, becoming involved in crime
- increased demand on welfare as low skill jobs become outsourced or replaced by technology.
I will not reply to any more of your posts in this thread. If you have anything further to say, take it to the Pit, where I won’t be joining you.
Wow, that’s the most idiotic statement in this thread, which is indeed saying something. I’ll drive you to the coast, if you like. You’ll have to walk into the sea of your own volition. I’ll take pictures. It’ll be all poetic. Wanna go?
(ETA: I look like a Dutchman, by my great-grandmother was a Comanche. I am a little ashamed at the moment that I might look like I’m related to you.)
You forget one key factor: immigrants send money home. A *lot *of money. Money in life-changing amounts. This in turn improves conditions in the home country and slowly mitigates the poor conditions that drive immigrants abroad. In the long-term there is a net benefit.
In addition, of course, there are cultural considerations. Many immigrants add to the culture. Yes, this changes it, but often for the better. I’d bet even BNP members go out for a curry occasionally.
I’d also like to go on the record as saying that I have never once considered government policy in terms of “Yes, but is it good for whites?”. Who thinks like that?
LonesomePolecat and CBEscapee, you’re both way out of line for Great Debates. This is a formal warning for both of you.
Did you read the very first line of your link? “Although overall performance gaps appear to have narrowed in instances, they still remain a reality in American schools.” I said the gap is narrowing, not that the gap was gone. Your cite also says the gap is narrowing but not gone. I’m not seeing a disagreement here…
Assimilation depends on a lot of factors, the primary one being what exactly does assimilation mean anyway.
I would agree that continuing to bring in migrants would change American culture. It always has after all, some areas of the nation are heavily influenced by their migrants. I don’t just mean recently either, the Irish influence in Boston for example is quite old, as is the nordic influence in upper Minnesota or the Greek in Chicago. What I do not agree with is that this is automatically a bad thing. So if your argument is that Hispanic immigrants will change the culture, then yes, you’re right. So what?
As long as immigrants follow US laws and will go along with US ideals such as equality among races and sexes, democracy, religious tolerance, and other similar very broad American traits then I’m fine with immigrants. Gives me more ethnic restaurants to visit.
Nope, it isn’t. Which is why I want immigration to be allowed. Trying to stop immigration is an attempt to keep whites in power and influence. It is doing so specifically by harming a minority group, one that will eventually outnumber whites regardless. As Zimbabwe or South Africa show, trying to keep one group in power at the expense of another doesn’t produce good results. I’d rather see all people treated equally and fairly than I would to see Hispanics treated like shit now, then whites treated like shit in the future.
It can? How’s that controlling immigration thing been working out for you the last four or five decades? At what point do you realize that what we’ve been doing doesn’t work, so we should try doing something different instead of doubling down on our policies?
Detroit’s problem is all about the economy falling to shit since it’s heyday. The wealthier people moved out of town when the jobs went away, the poor stayed since they couldn’t afford to move/had no where to go. It’s no surprise that a city largely dominated by the poor have all the problems that goes with poverty. It has nothing to do with immigration. Really, it has nothing to do with race either beyond the fact that one race is more likely to be poorer than another.
South Central LA is similar. The vast majority of it is poor, and it has all the same problems that poverty anywhere causes.
If anything though, LA should be proof of why we need to open up the borders. Clearly not allowing much legal immigration from Mexico, as has been the case for decades now, isn’t working out for us. Time to try something different.
I’ve been trying really hard not to just call you a racist and dismiss you as a moron. Statements like this really really make this difficult though…
I am Mexican and find the racist filth posted by lonsesome offensive to say the least. I am not sure why this is allowed. I apologize to the other participants but not to someone who posts such disgusting and undeniably racist garbage.