Should The USA Adopt Mexican Law (RE. Illegal Aliens)?

[Diogenes_the_Cynic]

@ralph124c

Would you deign to define “fall for this”?
We have the president of a foreign country, addressing the US Congress..and he decides to criticize a law made by an elected legislature-well and good!
But he (Calderon) ignore’s Mexico’s shameful abuse of illegal aliens-where does he get off? Instead of a standing ovation, the congress should have walked out.

What does this have to do with where anybody should stand on the Arizona law? Who cares what Calderon says?

The problem with the Arizona law is now how it treats illegal immigrants anyway, but how it treats American citizens.

[No_Me_Ayudes_Compadre]

These are the penalties for immigration offenses:

Fine of 20 to 100 times the daily minimum salary (a range of around 90 to 475 dollars, in round numbers) for a foreigner who:

1. Reenters Mexico after being kicked out, without getting a readmittance ruling, or hides the fact that he was kicked out;
2. Violates the terms of admittance;
3. Carries on unauthorized activities as defined in the immigration permit;
4. Intentionally misrepresents his immigration status;
5. Enters the country without required documentation;
6. Marries a Mexican solely with the intent to receive an immigration benefit (this offense subject to higher penalty).

Using forged documents or making false statements is still a criminal act.

Arrest and deportation may be one possible outcome of being here illegally. But more often than not you’re invited to “regularize” your situation, and in most cases it can be done without legal counsel or advice.

Foreigners certainly can buy property except in certain areas, invest, do business and work in Mexico.

I’m not sure what “racial profiling of Anglos” means, but I can’t think of any law or policy that would call for something like that.

[Mr.Excellent]

@DigitalC

I would be willing to bet anyone sneaking illegally into mexico is only doing it in order to sneak illegally into the US.

Why not sneak into Mexico for its own sake? It’s wealthier than much of Latin America, and there’s no language barrier to finding work.

[Merijeek]

Oh thank god. Ralph is on the case. We’re saved!

-Joe

[Ravenman]

I am making a matrix of right-wing thought on criticism of what heads of government say to other countries, and whether it is appropriate or not.

So far I have:

Bush II criticizes another country: bold leadership.

Obama criticizes another country: rookie mistake.

Foreign president criticizes a political subdivision of the United States: this means war!!

I would appreciate any further contributions so I can keep up to date on all this.

[Jormungandr]

@flickster

Well, to my understanding:

Of the top of my head…
The police can, and do, request identification/proof of legal residency/purpose of your visit, etc.
Yes, they do racially profile anglos
Yes you will be arrested and deported if not there legally
No, you may not work there
No, you may not purchase property

You can buy property, just not 50 km near the ocean or 100 km near the border with the US. It’s to protect against invasion(No safe houses or safe harbors). However, you can own using a trust.

[magellan01]

@Ravenman

I am making a matrix of right-wing thought on criticism of what heads of government say to other countries, and whether it is appropriate or not.

So far I have:

Bush II criticizes another country: bold leadership.

Obama criticizes another country: rookie mistake.

Foreign president criticizes a political subdivision of the United States: this means war!!

I would appreciate any further contributions so I can keep up to date on all this.

Do you allow that it makes a difference whether the country a U.S. president criticizes is an ally or not?

And, just for the record, fuck Calderon. Let him go give speeches about his own southern border. And I’m very disappointed in Obama for giving his comments credence.

[Ravenman]

@magellan01

Do you allow that it makes a difference whether the country a U.S. president criticizes is an ally or not?

I don’t see what the big deal is. Can the US no longer offer modest criticism of Israel? Can we not criticize NATO countries for not doing enough to help us in Afghanistan? Can we not criticize Japan for their absurd laws that allow Japanese citizens to violate US court orders by illegally taking children out of our country?

We’ve had a year and a half of conservative politicians bashing Canada, making their health care system sound like a complete death trap that is half a step away from putting a bullet in the head of any young child who happens to break an arm while riding an American-made bicycle. But the Mexican President says that lax enforcement of American gun laws has made his country more dangerous, and conservatives suddenly feel the need to swoon because of intemperate statements? Bullshit.

[YogSothoth]

I’m pretty sure Spanish is the offical language in Mexico. Maybe we should do that here (officially. It’s already the unofficial language in many areas)

Point is, you look no better simply crying that other people are worse. American laws are for Americans, it matters not what Mexico is doing within it’s own borders.

[CBEscapee]

In following these type of threads, the ones that are so upset about what Calderòn said during his visit to the USA are mostly the same ones that are saying that the US should pressure Mèxico to do this or that on issues that affect the USA. To them it seems like the USA has a right to tell others what they should do but God forbid any other nationality to suggest the USA change its ways.

The infamous “American interests” that some other nation usually winds up paying for in one way or another.