# Should Trump get credit if there's a Gaza peace deal? \[+Will the Deal Hold and will Trump continue to support it?\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [October 6, 2025, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708 "2025-10-06T00:41:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/121 "2025-10-15T15:03:36Z")
Considering how valuable they are as part of negotiations I would expect them to keep very close track. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/122 "2025-10-15T15:09:58Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Absolutely bonkers that anyone would expect Hamas could possibly turn over the remains of all hostages on short notice. They’ve been being bombed to oblivion, and someone expects them to have prioritized keeping track of a bunch of bodies? …it’s absolutely bonkers to expect Hamas to hold up their end of the deal which they agreed to? If that’s was the real issue, it would have come up during negotiations. They wouldn’t have said “yes yes yes no problem we will get you the bodies we just need X days” and then only release a tiny fraction of what they agreed to. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/123 "2025-10-15T15:45:47Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If that’s was the real issue, it would have come up during negotiations. It did. > **[Multinational force to search for dead hostages Hamas has lost track of](https://www.timesofisrael.com/multinational-force-to-search-for-dead-hostages-hamas-has-lost-track-of/)** > > Terror group reportedly told mediators it doesn't know where a number of bodies are; force to include Israel, the US, Qatar, Egypt and Turkey > [@](#): > > However, during the negotiations, Hamas told mediators and Israel that it does not know the location of some deceased hostages. **The terror group said it will struggle to meet the 72-hour deadline for all of the hostages, and Israel is aware of this** but believes all of the bodies will eventually be returned. > > Although Israel has said that the return of all of the hostages is a critical part of the agreement, the process of finding those who are missing is expected to take some time. > > “Since we expect there to be difficulties, we acted to set up an international task force that will have everything needed, including information and resources, to return the hostages to Israel,” government hostage point man Gal Hirsch told Haaretz. > > Aside from halting the war, in exchange for the hostages Israel will also release hundreds of Palestinian security prisoners, including many who were convicted of deadly terror attacks on Israelis. > > **Three Israeli officials confirmed to CNN on Wednesday that Hamas might not be able to find all the dead hostages.** Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has known for months that this is the case, according to the officials. > > **One official said that seven to nine bodies might not be retrieved, while another put that figure at between 10 and 15.** The assessments are based on Israeli intelligence and information that is coming out of the talks in Egypt, the report said, though there is no way to know the exact figure. > > The Times of Israel previously [reported](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-submits-response-to-us-gaza-proposal-declaring-readiness-to-enter-talks-to-finalize-details/) that the terror group has, in the past, told mediators it does not know where some of the bodies of dead hostages are located. (my bolding) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/124 "2025-10-15T15:59:46Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > One official said that seven to nine bodies might not be retrieved, while another put that figure at between 10 and 15. …what does this have to do with anything? Did they return all except 10 or 15 bodies? Or are they playing ridiculous fucking games and only returning single digit number of bodies? If they were only able to find a handful of bodies total, why would they tell Israel “we are going to have issues finding the last 5 or 6 bodies” instead of “we don’t know where most of the bodies are”? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/125 "2025-10-15T16:10:27Z")
It’s been a long time since I had a math class, but I’m pretty sure that neither “seven to nine” nor “between 10 and 15” are the same as “5 or 6” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/126 "2025-10-15T16:17:00Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > It’s been a long time since I had a math class, but I’m pretty sure that neither “seven to nine” nor “between 10 and 15” are the same as “5 or 6”. Huh? The point I am making is that you’re saying “why is it surprising that Hamas can’t find _all_ of the bodies?” And I am answering you, “because Hamas agreed to release all of the bodies, and said they might have issues with a handful, but agreed to return most of them without making a stink about how difficult it will be for them to get those bodies; but then they didn’t return all but a handful of bodies; instead, they only returned a tiny handful”. Do you see the difference between me saying “I’ll give you $30 for something” and then when actually making the purchase saying “oh shit, I only have $25 on me” versus saying “I’ll give you $30 for something” and then when actually making the purchase saying “here’s $4, why are you complaining? Have you seen the state of my wallet? I can’t find the money!”? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/127 "2025-10-15T17:59:25Z")
There are, if I’m reading the stories correctly, 28 bodies. Two different Israeli sources late last week state separately that there are 7-9 or 10-15 bodies that may not be retrieved. That puts the number that Hamas agreed could be produced to be, on the low side 13 and on the high side 21, of which they have produced 7. That’s half to a third, not “a tiny handful”. You’re the one that said “5 or 6” might be a problem implying they could easily produce 20+, for which you have not provided a source. In any event, this is not like me trying to short you 25 bucks. Your analogy sucks. The living hostages, which presumably matter just a teeny tiny bit more than the corpses, have all been turned over. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/128 "2025-10-15T18:04:41Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > The living hostages, which presumably matter just a teeny tiny bit more than the corpses, have all been turned over. And in case you haven’t noticed, Hamas got 2,000 terrorists including 250 convicted of at least one murder and serving a life sentence in exchange. Hamas certainly hasn’t been _shorted_ on this exchange, which is why it’s so pathetic that they’re trying stunts like hiding bodies or [substituting out the bodies of hostages for randomly selected dead bodies](https://www.kbtx.com/2025/10/15/israeli-military-says-one-bodies-handed-over-by-hamas-is-not-that-hostage/). Also, you didn’t address my point at all. I asked you why Hamas agreed to hand over bodies they knew they didn’t have, and you cited Israeli officials who correctly guessed ahead of time that Hamas was lying. That doesn’t explain why Hamas would agree to a deal if they know that they can’t uphold their side of. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/129 "2025-10-15T18:29:12Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Also, you didn’t address my point at all. I asked you why Hamas agreed to hand over bodies they knew they didn’t have Please read my post. From the quoted story: “However, during the negotiations, Hamas told mediators and Israel that it does not know the location of some deceased hostages.” They straight up said they didn’t have all the bodies. Also, the text of the agreement does not obligate Hamas to produce any bodies not in their possession. > [@](#): > > 5. Within 72 hours of the withdrawal of Israeli forces, all Israeli hostages, living and deceased, held in Gaza will be released (list attached). > > - a. As soon as the IDF completes the withdrawal, Hamas will commence investigating the status of the hostages and collect all information pertaining to them. Hamas will provide feedback and on its findings through the information-sharing mechanism under 5.e below. Israel will provide information on the Palestinian prisoners and detainees from the Gaza Strip held in Israel. > > - b. Within the 72 hours, Hamas will release all living hostages including those held by Palestinian factions in Gaza. > > - c. Within the 72 hours, Hamas will release the remains of the deceased hostages **in its possession and those in the possession of the Palestinian factions in Gaza**. > > - d. **Hamas will share, within the 72 hours, all the information it obtained relating to any remaining deceased hostages** through the information-sharing mechanism in paragraph (e) below. Israel will provide information on the remains of the deceased Gazans held by Israel. > > - e. **Establishment of an information-sharing mechanism between the two sides through the mediators and the ICRC, to exchange information and intelligence on any remaining deceased hostages** that were not retrieved within the 72 hours or remains of Gazans held by Israel. The mechanism shall ensure that the remains of all the hostages are fully and safely exhumed and released. Hamas shall exert maximum effort to ensure the fulfilment of these commitments as soon as possible. > > - f. As Hamas releases all the hostages, Israeli will release in parallel the corresponding number of Palestinian prisoners as per the attached lists. > > - g. The exchange of hostages and prisoners will be done according to the mechanism agreed upon through the mediators and through the ICRC without any public ceremonies or media coverage. (bold added) The agreement explicitly acknowledges that Hamas doesn’t have all the bodies, and is required to turn over only those it does, and share any information they have regarding those it does not. Unless Hamas misrepresented how many bodies were actually in their possession (certainly possible), it’s not obvious where they’ve lied. That they haven’t found other bodies not in their possession yet does not place them in violation of the terms of the agreement, unless you have any evidence that they are hanging onto some bodies for some unfathomable reason. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/130 "2025-10-15T18:36:34Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > Typical of Al Jazeera not to tell you that Hamas already violated the peace agreement by only returning a fraction of the bodies they agreed to return. > > Absolutely bonkers that anyone would expect Hamas could possibly turn over the remains of all hostages on short notice. They’ve been being bombed to oblivion, and someone expects them to have prioritized keeping track of a bunch of bodies? And i wonder what the exact language was around “returning bodies”. Oh, i see there was a great deal of discussion around the fact that they didn’t actually have all the bodies. > [@Gorsnak](#): > > it’s not obvious where they’ve lied. That they haven’t found other bodies not in their possession yet does not place them in violation of the terms of the agreement, unless you have any evidence that they are hanging onto some bodies for some unfathomable reason. It’s not obvious they’ve lied, and failing to return remains of dead bodies is totally insignificant as compared to the obscenity of starving innocents in exchange. But… A reason to hang on to remains is not unfathomable, as Israel has bargained for dead bodies before, and the motive for hanging onto valuable trade goods is not unfathomable. So who knows. Maybe Hamas is playing games with the bodies. It’s still nothing compared to starving the population. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/131 "2025-10-15T18:39:37Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > It’s still nothing compared to starving the population. Of course, that’s not a thing that’s happening. There are still hundreds of aid trucks entering the strip every day. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/132 "2025-10-15T19:01:01Z")
They said they would only let in half as much aid to pressure Gaza. That’s just obscene. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/133 "2025-10-15T19:27:50Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > They said they would only let in half as much aid to pressure Gaza. Other than restarting the fighting, sanctions are the only way to pressure Hamas. That being said, some developments: 1. Hamas announced that the third and final pulse will only include 2 bodies and that this is all they have access to. 2. Israeli Intel estimates they can access at least 10 more bodies. 3. For now, they are back to letting 600 trucks a day in. I can’t tell if they had 300 trucks for one day or if it was just discussed but not done. 4. They still aren’t opening the second crossing. > **[חמאס מסר שני ארונות של חללים - וטוען: אלה כל החטופים "שאנחנו יכולים להגיע אליהם"](https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/bycunvpaex)** > > לאחר השבתם של 7 חטופים לקבורה, ארגון הטרור מסר שני ארונות של חללים לצלב האדום. במקביל, חמאס טוען כי באשר ל-19 החללים הנותרים "יידרשו מאמצים כדי לחפש אותם". בישראל דוחים את הטענות - ושלחו למתווכות מיקומים שבהם ייתכן שנקברו חללים: "חמאס יכול להגיע... ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2025, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/134 "2025-10-17T21:14:23Z")
Sanctions that make it harder to buy a piano or play Minecraft or move your money overseas are ordinary tools of diplomacy. Sanctions that starve innocent people are not. They are arguably worse than lobbing a few bombs. And it’s pretty hard to argue that this is a sanction that has meaning while also arguing that there is no famine in Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/135 "2025-10-18T15:16:53Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > And it’s pretty hard to argue that this is a sanction that has meaning while also arguing that there is no famine in Gaza. That _could_ be true if, for example, the only type of aid entering Gaza was food, or if every truck entering Gaza was carrying a homogeneous and interchangeable distribution of generic “aid”, or if Israel had no control over what is in each truck. In fact, none of those assumptions are true. The aid that was threatened was reconstruction material, not food or medical aid. Meanwhile, some more good news as the ceasefire holds: the full 600 daily trucks continue to enter Gaza; the logistics surrounding Rafah crossing have been worked out and it is supposed to open Monday; and it looks like a deal is being worked out with Egypt to take point on the international security forces. The establishment of such a body is absolutely paramount. It’s the only way to enforce a disarmament of Hamas, other than Israeli occupation which nobody wants. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/136 "2025-10-18T18:01:00Z")
What Comes After Starvation in Gaza? > **[What Comes After Starvation in Gaza?](https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/what-comes-after-starvation-in-gaza)** > > For the severely malnourished, simply starting to eat normal meals again can cause sickness—even death. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2025, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/137 "2025-10-19T08:00:29Z")
Here’s an interesting analysis of the relationship between Trump and Netanyahu, and between the U.S. and Israel, in the context of the ceasefire. The writer is a respected Israeli columnist, politically right of center but no fan of Netanyahu - a never-Bibier, in American terms. In short: Trump and his people made Netanyahu their bitch. > **[This is how the Americans turned Israel into a banana republic](https://www.ynetnews.com/opinions-analysis/article/hkx3thzrxg)** > > Opinion: Contrary to all the delusional statements, the  US administration did not give Netanyahu a "free hand" to do as he pleased; On the contrary. It stopped him. It forced the ceasefire on him ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/138 "2025-10-20T12:02:56Z")
Interesting, though what I get from the content is it was more Bibi than “the Americans” that “turned it into a banana republic” by depending on a “friendly” Trump administration to prop him up. The problem with the corrupt making deals with the corrupt is that at some point the bigger, stronger corrupt will assert that HE is bigger and stronger. That article’s thesis would fuel the arguments of those in the USA and elsewhere who say _Biden_ could and should have bent Netanyahu’s neck down and achieved the same thing earlier if there had been the will to press hard. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/139 "2025-10-20T21:17:04Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Trump and his people made Netanyahu their bitch. I suspect that Netanyahu didn’t foresee Trump being a peace vulture, who would swoop in as soon as he could sense Fait Accompli in the air. He probably expected him to keep pushing to exterminate each and every member of Hamas, in a hardline stance, right alongside the Israeli government. In this moment, to be sure, it does put Israel in the subordinate position. But I don’t think that Netanyahu will get played again or let himself get caught unexpected. You’d need a continuing and accepting obedience to class Israel a a Banana Republic. Getting played for the fool once, in a relatively minor way, isn’t to that level. In general, no one ever wins by trusting Trump. At the moment that you ever forget that he’s only looking out for #1, you’re always going to end up getting screwed over. It’s unclear to my why so many otherwise smart people fail to be able to keep that in mind, but I’d expect that they’re able to remember it after the first time getting stabbed in the back. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2025, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708/140 "2025-10-21T04:36:26Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > In general, no one ever wins by trusting Trump. At the moment that you ever forget that he’s only looking out for #1, you’re always going to end up getting screwed over. It’s unclear to my why so many otherwise smart people fail to be able to keep that in mind, but I’d expect that they’re able to remember it after the first time getting stabbed in the back. One hopes so. It’s just weird how he’s been able to go through life cheating and backstabbing his way to the top, and new victims _just keep presenting themselves._ You’d think people would have more of a sense of self-preservation. It’s not like he’s subtle about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-trump-get-credit-if-theres-a-gaza-peace-deal-will-the-deal-hold-and-will-trump-continue-to-support-it/1023708.md?page=8)