# Should we Mourn the death of Olivia de Havilland **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 27, 2020, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455 "2020-07-27T06:54:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/1 "2020-07-27T06:54:02Z")
Wonderful actress. Strong powerful woman. Quite ahead of her time regarding woman’s rights. And breaking the studio system. Yet she was in this horribly racist movie called “Gone with the Wind”, it was banned recently. Now has come back with some “disclaimers”. Should she be acknowledged by at the Oscars? ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/2 "2020-07-27T06:57:04Z")
Do you have a cite for the movie being “banned”? ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/3 "2020-07-27T07:01:07Z")
> **[HBO Max Removes Civil War Epic ‘Gone With the Wind’](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/hbo-max-removes-gone-wind-1297806/)** > > ‘Gone With the Wind,’ the multiple Academy Award-winning Civil War epic considered a classic of American cinema, has been pulled from HBO Max as media companies reappraise content in li… ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/4 "2020-07-27T07:07:49Z")
I think you may be unclear about the meaning of the word “ban.” A copyright owner not showing something isn’t a ban. Disney, for example, has not put the Star Wars Holiday Special on Disney+. That doesn’t mean it’s “banned.” ---
**Author:** ![tavalla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tavalla/32/89_2.png) [@tavalla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tavalla)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/5 "2020-07-27T07:10:40Z")
HBO Max taking it down for a while (and since [restoring it with some commentary](https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/gone-with-the-wind-hbo-max-disclaimer-horrors-slavery-1234648726/)) is a long way from it being banned. Olivia de Havilland had a 50-year career, with highs and lows- I imagine the guest appearance on The Love Boat would probably rank lower than Gone With The Wind. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/6 "2020-07-27T07:11:31Z")
ok fine. it wasn’t banned by the Government. A private corporation that owns the copyright withdrew it from circulation due to the racist overtones and in light of the recent racial unpleasantness in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/7 "2020-07-27T07:14:02Z")
I think not morning her doesn’t go far enough. To truly display your concern for racism, you should dig up the corpses of all the cast members and piss on them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/8 "2020-07-27T07:16:12Z")
> [@kswiss](#): > > A private corporation that owns the copyright withdrew it from circulation… You left out the word “temporarily”. Again. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/9 "2020-07-27T07:16:57Z")
> [@kswiss](#): > > it was banned recently. Now has come back with some “disclaimers”. it was in my first post ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/10 "2020-07-27T07:19:03Z")
Do you know what the word “banned” means? ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/11 "2020-07-27T07:20:08Z")
> [@kswiss](#): > > ok fine. it wasn’t banned by the Government. A private corporation that owns the copyright withdrew it from circulation due to the racist overtones and in light of the recent racial unpleasantness in the US. did you read this? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/12 "2020-07-27T07:22:04Z")
> [@kswiss](#): > > Yet she was in this horribly racist movie called “Gone with the Wind”, it was banned recently. Now has come back with some “disclaimers”. …as the resident Straight Dope Official Social Justice Warrior, holding a licence in Level 9 Political Correctness and an O-Level in Virtue Signalling I can give you the official SJW position on this. Yes: we can mourn the death of Olivia de Havilland. Absolutely. Go for it, 100%. Yes, we grant permission for her to be acknowledged by the Oscars. We have no problem with that at all. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/13 "2020-07-27T07:25:30Z")
Well thank you for your permission. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/14 "2020-07-27T07:28:27Z")
I’d be interested in other replies though ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/15 "2020-07-27T07:31:00Z")
B\_B has it right. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/16 "2020-07-27T07:34:41Z")
Can Elia Kazan be honored at the Oscars? Just wanna get the official SJW viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/17 "2020-07-27T07:37:54Z")
> [@kswiss](#): > > Can Elia Kazan be honored at the Oscars? …why would the SJW’s object? Social Justice Warriors don’t believe in Cancel Culture, thats a myth. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/18 "2020-07-27T07:38:09Z")
> [@kswiss](#): > > > [@kswiss](#): > > > > ok fine. it wasn’t banned by the Government. A private corporation that owns the copyright withdrew it from circulation due to the racist overtones and in light of the recent racial unpleasantness in the US. > > did you read this? did you read this? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/19 "2020-07-27T07:39:53Z")
> [@kswiss](#): > > did you read this? …who are you talking too? ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/20 "2020-07-27T07:41:07Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > [@kswiss](#): > > > > Can Elia Kazan be honored at the Oscars? > > …why would the SJW’s object? Social Justice Warriors don’t believe in Cancel Culture, thats a myth. okey dokey then. There was no controversy about Elia Kazan. So glad to have an official representative of the SJWs here. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455.md?page=2)