# Should we Mourn the death of Olivia de Havilland **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 27, 2020, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455 "2020-07-27T06:54:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/62 "2020-07-27T09:19:12Z")
Could you kindly pick a position and stick to it? You’re either arguing with yourself, or attempting to portray the views of others without having the testicular fortitude to actually say so. Either way, it’s tiresome and overdone. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/63 "2020-07-27T09:21:45Z")
Nobody says you have to mourn her, if you don’t feel like it then don’t, but you don’t get to decide for everyone else either. GWTW is a piece of art and art shouldn’t be censored though it can be criticized in its own right as a piece of art, it is subjective though. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/64 "2020-07-27T09:22:47Z")
Do I need to take down my Gandhi statue too? Someone told me he was racist. Should we remove all statues just to make sure? I heard visual representations of people are offensive to Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/65 "2020-07-27T09:23:38Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Corollary: Hugo Weaving played a Nazi in the film _Captain America: The First Avenger._ > > Nazis committed crimes against humanity and were held accountable for it at Nuremburg. > > Therefore, Hugo Weaving has committed crimes against humanity and should be put on trial at Nuremburg. I don’t follow super hero movies, but I’m assuming Hugo Weaving played a bad guy in this movie you speak of. He was identified as a bad guy, I’m guessing he loses in the end. The southerners in GWTW were the HEROES, they were noble honest people, doing their best to save themselves from the horrible Union. This horrible racist propaganda was propagated by Hollywood, not only the Studios, but the Directors, Producers, and yes the Actors. , ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/66 "2020-07-27T09:25:06Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Could you kindly pick a position and stick to it? You’re either arguing with yourself, or attempting to portray the views of others without having the testicular fortitude to actually say so. Either way, it’s tiresome and overdone. As a non-testicle-haver, I find this phrasing offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/67 "2020-07-27T09:25:58Z")
> [@kswiss](#): > > This horrible racist propaganda was propagated by Hollywood, not only the Studios, but the Directors, Producers, and yes the Actors At that time actors were under strict contracts with particular studios and didn’t have as much say in what the could/would do. BTW, what did you think of her performance in “GWTW”? ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/68 "2020-07-27T09:30:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > BTW, what did you think of her performance in “GWTW”? I generally don’t think much of acting pre 1960s method acting. It was mostly hit your mark and say your lines. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/69 "2020-07-27T09:32:03Z")
Holy fuck. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/70 "2020-07-27T09:33:58Z")
there is no need for vulgarity ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/71 "2020-07-27T09:35:24Z")
I would be happy to let others judge as to which of our statements was the most vulgar. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/72 "2020-07-27T09:36:23Z")
Alan Ladd in Shane, well ok that’s acting. But I digress. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/73 "2020-07-27T09:40:02Z")
You have(after a bit of prodding) answered your own question and said that she should be remembered at the Oscars, then you spend the rest of the time apparently giving reasons why she _shouldn’t_ be. What point are you trying to make here? ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/74 "2020-07-27T09:40:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I would be happy to let others judge as to which of our statements was the most vulgar. I doubt at this point anyone else cares, we are just arguing between ourselves. With occasional input from people who wandered in here. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/75 "2020-07-27T09:41:51Z")
> [@kswiss](#): > > there is no need for vulgarity The correct phrase, here, is _Don’t be a potty mouth_. BTW How many legs do you have? CMC ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/76 "2020-07-27T09:43:23Z")
This thread is full of microaggressions and problematic viewpoints. I want to apologise for my part in it and suggest the mods cancel it immediately. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/77 "2020-07-27T09:46:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What point are you trying to make here? Do you think she should be honored? Or anyone else? and why? in the context of todays environment. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/78 "2020-07-27T09:46:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What point are you trying to make here? My best guess at this point is that the OP is attempting to mock a caricature of what they believe “cancel culture” to be - I.e., “this celebrated actress was in a movie 80 years ago which in retrospect had some problematic themes, therefore she was **EVIL** and must be completely erased from history”. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/79 "2020-07-27T09:47:21Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > My best guess at this point is that the OP is attempting to mock a caricature of what they believe “cancel culture” to be - I.e., “this celebrated actress was in a movie 80 years ago which had some problematic themes, therefore she was **EVIL** and must be completely erased from history”. Ya got me. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/80 "2020-07-27T09:55:04Z")
although maybe you don’t ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455/81 "2020-07-27T09:56:47Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > which had some problematic themes, Slavery is just a problematic theme? Okay. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-we-mourn-the-death-of-olivia-de-havilland/916455.md?page=5)