Not yet, but the Sixth Circuit has.
I was trying to say that humans may be very dangerous, but numbers matter. And you even agree with me. If we could send out our Gun Confiscation Robots (since a human would get shot full of holes, and I guess the robots would need molecular sensors to find the guns by the smell of lubricant and gunpowder) and grab every gun somehow, yeah, there’d be less murders. But still far more than a nice, safe European country, for whatever reason. (a small European country with a homogeneous culture and a single dominant ethnic group as well…)
I do agree with you. I even agree that there would possibly be less murders if one could magically remove all of the guns. But it wouldn’t be that much less…and it would still be a hell of a lot more than those small, homogeneous European nations, or Japan/Canada/Australia. And I think that’s a point that a lot of these discussions lose sight of…simply, the US is a more violent place than Europe is.
But there is another aspect…we are, slowly, becoming less violent ourselves. And we are doing so when there are actually more guns (and more ammo). I think that folks like the OP and those on the same side are not helping, any more than some Republicans who want to ‘fix’ the various social ills they see really help…they are, in fact, making matters worse. JMHO and I know that both the anti-gun folks on this board and many Republicans disagree with my assessment.
I posted the original message with the thinking that, aside from being impossible to implement in current climate, it was an incrementally better plan than the restricted gun sales idea. No one likes seeing their idea shot full of holes, but I expected it and it is the reason I posted it. So I appreciate the responses, and I no longer think it’s a better alternative and both ideas to control gun violence are bad in their own way. I don’t know what political “action” can be taken to stop these mass shootings but I do know I haven’t heard a great idea yet.
I don’t think there is an easy or agreed upon ‘fix’, nor any great Earth shattering idea to fix it all. There is a huge range between grab all the guns and bullets and do nothing except perhaps remove all regulation and let folks work it out for themselves. Between those extremes is a huge range of alternatives, all of which are basically compromises based on the reality that neither of the extremes is palatable to enough folks to actually happen.
I just wanted to add, this was a cool thread and I think it’s good that you’re willing to put forth an idea and listen to the criticism about it and evaluate your position.
Kid was a member of a White racist militia. How about we ban white racist groups?
What’s the source for this information? And as an aside, anyone know the races of the victims?
Also as an aside, would you like to see black racist groups banned as well?
Query : what do groups that cater to other races count as?
It’s been widely reported in the media that Cruz belonged to a group called the Republic of Florida, which is a extremist white supremacy group. The Republic of Florida has acknowledged Cruz is a member but is denying any connection with the shooting.
It’s also been reported that Cruz hates black people. But he apparently also hates Jews and women.
**Should we target ammo sales instead of gun sales for a solution to mass shootings?
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No, we should not, because that is not a solution.
No shit, but you should make an argument why. Unless you’re saying that your reputation is so great that we all should just take your statement at face value.
That’s why all sensible people use revolvers.
In one of these gun threads, someone posted about doing something with a “.44”, and I remember thinking distinctly “WTF?!? Is a cowboy going rogue?”
ETA: It was this post:
What song is there about kicking in someone’s door brandishing a .44? 
Koka Kola by the Clash-“coming through the door is a snub nosed 44”
No data, but I strongly suspect the circle of aficionados who can do their own reloads does not intersect with the circle of people prone to mass murder. So I don’t know that focusing on the reload gear is meaningful. In fact, the reloaders I know are gun-responsible bordering on obsessive. If anything, I’d nominate them to run the armory to store the firearms for the other people in their neighborhoods.
Manufactured ammo might have quite a long shelf life, but you kind of need to shoot it off once in a while just to maintain proficiency with the firearm. Again, I think the circle of people who keep 10,000 rounds on hand doesn’t intersect with the circle of people prone to mass murder.
As far as targeting military calibers, I don’t think that would be useful in the long term. You’d just end up with more weapons that take .30-30 and 9mm and such. And I’m pretty sure I could raise absolute hell in an elementary school with just a .17 or .22 cal plinking rifle with a bunch of 10-round magazines.
I actually have ideas for discussing what to do about the shootings, but maybe in another thread. This is about ammo, right?
So now that Little Nemo has answered your question, how about answering mine:
Kid was a member of a White racist militia. How about we ban white racist groups?*
I’m a bit more keen on maintaining the Constitution’s guarantees on free speech and association, so, no.
As for his membership in the group, it seems that there is some dispute about that.
Ok, good reply. So for those of you suggesting ammo restrictions, what do you think?
Kid was reported as being a member of a White racist militia. How about we ban white racist groups?
You might note something here : https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7xy7rp/17_victims_chris_hixon_nicholas_dworet_aaron_feis/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=best&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage
Yeah, everyone that actually died happened to be a white person. 8 girls, 8 guys, 1 teacher. Basically it appears that the shooter was just shooting anyone he had a shot on.
The ironic thing is that if this ‘racist group’ had taken in this disturbed kid as a member, he might have felt better, being with his racist friends, and never committed this crime.