# Should you expect to know what genitals a person has before a first date? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 12, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329 "2019-11-12T15:31:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/141 "2019-11-13T21:42:09Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Sorry, that line was absolutely not referring to you, I was talking about nonsense like post 84. Fair enough. > [@Miller](#): > > I wouldn’t say “bigoted,” but I am saying that if “being trans” is, by itself, solely enough to reject someone as a romantic or sexual partner, you don’t entirely buying into their identity as women. I’m open to being corrected on that, but it would necessarily involve delving into why someone would not be interested in dating a trans person. > > By “woman with an asterisk,” I didn’t mean “woman, plus something else,” I meant “woman, but not quite.” We once again are talking about definitions. Definitions are tricky. And possibly dodgy. And possibly squirrely. And I’m possibly not the best person to discuss this particular flavor of definition with you because I, personally, have a very hard time shoving the “trans women are women” bit of definition past my pedantry. By which I mean I’m probably a bigot, and am certainly a pedant, and there’s absolutely no part of my notion of definitions that says that somebody can change something’s definition by the mere act of declaring it so. To my brain, that just doesn’t _work_. But we’re not talking about assholes like me. We’re explicitly talking about people who _do_ definitionally accept that trans women are women. And, being a pedant regarding definitions as I am, I note that you can’t claim you’re talking about such people and then say that they don’t REALLY think trans women are women. That’s ain’t right, dude; pick a definition and stick to it. Which means I dismiss that “woman, but not quite” by definition - so where does that leave us? It appears that you’re saying that a person who does accept that trans women are women can’t _possibly_ be averse to dating all trans women. That seems like an unsupportable position to me. Firstly I reject the notion that you have to refuse to accept trans women are women to be bigoted against them or simply unsettled because they deviate from your norm. Also I reject your attempt to dismiss “wants babies” as reason to be averse to trans women just because it applies to more people than trans women. If I’m averse to women under the age of twenty, I’m also averse to people under the age of sixteen. Being a proper subset of an excluded group makes you an excluded group too. For either of those reasons a person could be averse to dating a trans woman, despite accepting that they’re women, and could thus wish to be appraised of this information before it’s “too late” (whenever that is). ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/142 "2019-11-13T22:00:48Z")
A person may not want to date a trans woman because they don’t want to deal with family fall-out. Just like a person may not want to date someone outside of their culture or race for the same reason. They may also not want to date a trans person because they assume there are extra challenges that would be involved with that and they just aren’t interested. Just like a person may not want to date someone who has kids or who has a disability. I don’t think not wanting to date a trans woman necessarily indicates a transphobic mindset. Although, if someone is shouting their disinterest through a bullhorn, I think that it is fair to conclude they are a jerk. Sent from my moto x4 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/143 "2019-11-13T23:02:22Z")
As a card carrying member of the Offenderati, why was I not informed of this thread. #1 It seems that people here think pre-op and post-op are the only options. Some trans women are non-op. They have, for various reaons, decided not to have surgery and live with the genitalia they were born with. #2 A human being interested in women can screen out say redheads, or women with large noses. But most trans women are not obviously trans women. You can’t say “I have never and will never be attracted to one.” It’s entirely possible that you have been attracted to a trans woman- without knowing she was trans. #3 **Monstro** is just tops. Personally, if I were dating a woman who revealed she had a penis I would want to know if it was circumcised. I can deal with a trans woman. My family can deal with a trans woman. But a shikseh would be trouble. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/144 "2019-11-13T23:50:38Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > As a card carrying member of the Offenderati, why was I not informed of this thread > > #2 A human being interested in women can screen out say redheads, or women with large noses. But most trans women are not obviously trans women. I would actually say the opposite is true and the great majority are pretty obvious, pictures can also be deceptive but I’d argue in person probably 90% or more would be obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/145 "2019-11-14T00:13:04Z")
> [@bob++](#): > > I think that a responsible person who is outside what is considered ‘normal’ should really disclose their difference before a first date without being asked. > [@Oakminster](#): > > However, were I single, I would expect the courtesy of being informed if the situation was anything other than what I might reasonably expect…ie, if my proposed date was anything other than a female from birth. **It’s not a potential dating partner’s responsibility to determine what you consider “normal” or what you think you can “reasonably expect”.** If you really need to know whether a potential dating partner meets certain criteria for what you consider “normal” or “reasonable expectation”, it’s _your_ responsibility to ask them about it. There are a lot of chicken-ass men out there who are scared of possibly being attracted to a woman who turns out to have a penis, and are also scared of possibly offending a woman without a penis by asking personal questions about her genitalia from the get-go. So they try to offload the responsibility for dealing with their fears onto other people, demanding that they should be given this highly personal information right away so they won’t be surprised by it but don’t have to ask for it. I say that’s cowardly irresponsibility and I say the hell with it. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I actually think online dating can eliminate a lot of these problems. Basic profile and preference options like: > > I am a \_\_\_\_\_ and I am looking for a \_\_\_\_\_. > > The blanks can have options like cis- or trans-gendered man or woman. Everyone fills out their profiles correctly and no one gets surprised by a penis when they don’t want to. Anything wrong with that? No, as long as everybody involved is clear and consenting on the rules for disclosure. But unless the disclosure is officially mandated by the website as a condition of participating (and are they even legally allowed to do that??), nobody gets to whine if other participants choose not to disclose. If you fill out the form with, say, **“I am a _100% CISGENDER HETEROSEXUAL DICK-POSSESSING HE-MAN_ and I am looking for a _\_\_100% CISGENDER HETEROSEXUAL (OKAY MAYBE A LITTLE LESBIAN IF SHE LETS ME WATCH) TOTALLY DICKLESS BIOLOGICAL FEMALE FROM BIRTH WOMAN_\_\_”**, then you’ve made your criteria very clear and you’re entitled to expect that anybody contacting you for a date is in compliance with your criteria. But if some hot babe on the site that you’d really like to get with has filled out her form with, say, **“I am a _charming conversationalist, excellent cook and accomplished motorcycle mechanic_ and I am looking for a _sweet guy who makes me laugh_”** , then you’re not entitled to complain because she hasn’t told you whether she’s cisgender or transgender. If she doesn’t choose to disclose upfront, and you feel you really need to know before taking even the first step in the dance, then _ **it’s on you to ask her about it** _. Even though that requires you to run the risk of her possibly being offended and/or dismissing you as a insecure transphobic jerk that she wouldn’t want anywhere near her OEM vagina. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/146 "2019-11-14T00:29:14Z")
I personally feel that a person should list everything about themselves that anybody could consider to be a bad thing, so that the other person doesn’t feel that they were cheated or deceived. The good things can be left to be discovered in conversation. I also haven’t bothered to even consider trying online dating because I know nobody would ever give my problem-laden profile a second glance. So why would anybody ever want to disclose anything that other people might take negatively? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/147 "2019-11-14T00:49:49Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > So why would anybody ever want to disclose anything that other people might take negatively? Not sure if serious question, but if so, as other posters have pointed out, some transgender people feel they’re at more risk from potential dating partners if they **don’t** disclose their trans status upfront. (That’s not a valid reason for chicken-ass potential dating partners to **demand** that transgender people disclose their status upfront, of course; it’s the transgender person’s choice to make.) Of course, [some transgender people **do** routinely disclose their status upfront, and some chicken-ass stupid-ass asshole-ass dating partners **still** get mad at them about being transgender because they weren’t paying attention:](https://www.flare.com/sex-and-relationships/trans-dating/) > [@](#): > > I recently went on a date with a guy […] At the end of the date, our first kiss quickly turned into a handsy makeout session in the backseat of my car. Before it went further, I did my routine check of asking, “You know I’m transgender right?” expecting he was going to say yes and carry on. Instead, he looked at me with a blank face. > > He started yelling that I never told him. I responded saying it was all over my OkCupid profile, which it turns out he never read. He said, “I’m bouncing; that’s f-cked up,” and jumped out of the car, spat on the ground, slammed the car door and walked away. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/148 "2019-11-14T01:05:00Z")
> [@Mallard](#): > > My wife and I are both in our 60’s. If God forbid something happens to her and I’m plunked back into the dating world, hopefully if the ads are “Women seeking men” or “men seeking women” there’s at least that much truth. I would hope that I could tell the difference between a woman and a Transylvanian…or whatever they’re called :rolleyes: They’re called “women”. Transgender people who identify as women are correctly referred to as “women”. If it’s necessary for some reason to differentiate them from cisgender women, then they are called “transgender women”. It’s really not that difficult. If you personally don’t want to date a transgender woman, either after your wife’s death or behind your wife’s back or in any other circumstances, that’s totally up to you. But there’s nothing untruthful about transgender women on dating sites referring to themselves as “women”. If you feel you need to find out whether a woman you might want to date is transgender or cisgender, _ **it’s on you to ask her** _. Although I suppose trying to screen out transgender women by using derogatory assholish nicknames for them is a potentially workable alternative strategy. At least it would probably ensure you’d only date people holding similarly assholish transphobic views. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/149 "2019-11-14T01:58:59Z")
> [@Mallard](#): > > My wife and I are both in our 60’s. […]I would hope that I could tell the difference between a woman and a Transylvanian…or whatever they’re called […] I am in my 60s too, but I don’t use it as an excuse for ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/150 "2019-11-14T02:11:39Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I personally feel that a person should list everything about themselves that anybody could consider to be a bad thing, so that the other person doesn’t feel that they were cheated or deceived. The good things can be left to be discovered in conversation. > > I also haven’t bothered to even consider trying online dating because I know nobody would ever give my problem-laden profile a second glance. > > So why would anybody ever want to disclose anything that other people might take negatively? In addition to other reasons people have given: Not everybody thinks the same things are negative. Or positive, for that matter. If you’re actually going to list “everything that anybody could consider to be a bad thing”, you’re just going to have to list everything, including all the things you think of as good things. Might take you a while. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/151 "2019-11-14T02:43:54Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I say that’s cowardly irresponsibility and I say the hell with it. And I say that’s bullshit. The outlier ought to have the common courtesy to inform someone they know is probably not into that what the deal is before accepting a date. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/152 "2019-11-14T03:25:34Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I’ve asked the following of the thread participants already but didn’t get any satisfactory responses: > > 1. Should a woman without a uterus disclose this information on the first date? > 2. Should a guy with a micro penis disclose this information on the first date? > 3. Should someone with an STD disclose this information on the first date? > 4. Should someone with a prostetic sexual organ (breasts, penis, etc.) disclose this information on the first date? > 5. Should someone with a history of trauma or mental illness disclose this information on the first date? > 6. Should someone with financial problems disclose this information on the first date? > 7. Should someone with a highly inheritable disorder (Huntington’s) disclose this information on the first date? > 8. Should someone with a non-obvious racial/ethnic background disclose this information on the first date? Exactly. Although likewise, I hope I don’t think it should be sprung on a person right as you’re about to do the naughty. Sometime in between. 😉 And hopefully, the response will NOT be something like, “Eeewww, tranny, get lost!!!” I myself do not think there would be anything wrong with replying, “I don’t know if/think this will work out, but I hope we can still be friends,” or something of that nature. Really, I honestly don’t know if I could date a transman. I know that he’d have to be post-op if I did, because I’m not attracted to vaginas. I don’t believe that makes me a bad person, or a bigot. Rejection hurts no matter what the reason, and while some are probably worse than others, you can’t force someone to date you. I’m sure there are trans people out there who don’t want to date other trans people, or don’t want to date cis people. And they have that right. There are people who don’t want to date outside their own religion, that doesn’t make them say, anti-semitic, or islamophobic, or anti-catholic. Does that mean they’re saying, “oh, if they’re not X, that means they’re not a man/woman”? No, that’s fucking absurd. It means, “this particular trait is not a turn-on to me.” Whether that trait is being trans, short, fat, Republican, a redhead, a Trekkie, a Methodist, a Flyers fan, etc, well, that’s how it works. Dating isn’t fair. I fear that if we start telling people they’re bigots for rejecting people – for whatever reasons – then it could lead to people thinking they’re OWED a relationship. We’re already seeing that with the incel crowd. Do we really want to reinforce that attitude? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/153 "2019-11-14T03:30:56Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > … No, as long as everybody involved is clear and consenting on the rules for disclosure. > > But unless the disclosure is officially mandated by the website as a condition of participating (and are they even legally allowed to do that??), nobody gets to whine if other participants choose not to disclose. If you fill out the form with, say, **“I am a _100% CISGENDER HETEROSEXUAL DICK-POSSESSING HE-MAN_ and I am looking for a _\_\_100% CISGENDER HETEROSEXUAL (OKAY MAYBE A LITTLE LESBIAN IF SHE LETS ME WATCH) TOTALLY DICKLESS BIOLOGICAL FEMALE FROM BIRTH WOMAN_\_\_”**, then you’ve made your criteria very clear and you’re entitled to expect that anybody contacting you for a date is in compliance with your criteria. > > But if some hot babe on the site that you’d really like to get with has filled out her form with, say, **“I am a _charming conversationalist, excellent cook and accomplished motorcycle mechanic_ and I am looking for a _sweet guy who makes me laugh_”** , then you’re not entitled to complain because she hasn’t told you whether she’s cisgender or transgender. > > If she doesn’t choose to disclose upfront, and you feel you really need to know before taking even the first step in the dance, then _ **it’s on you to ask her about it** _. Even though that requires you to run the risk of her possibly being offended and/or dismissing you as a insecure transphobic jerk that she wouldn’t want anywhere near her OEM vagina. I was envisioning radio buttons and checkboxes, not free-form text boxes, and I’d be fine with making them optional, so long as the “search profiles” function offered a way to filter out the “did not disclose” profiles. Seems like a workable solution to me, at least in the online dating world. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/154 "2019-11-14T08:22:05Z")
I think I’ve figured out the problem. Everyone is approaching it as if a relationship is that thing where _you are to be served the choices you want_. It’s not. \*That \*thing is a restaurant. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/155 "2019-11-14T11:54:01Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > And I say that’s bullshit. The outlier ought to have the common courtesy to inform someone they know is probably not into that what the deal is before accepting a date. If they know that, which they won’t, in most cases. So then perhaps people who don’t want to date trans people should put that in their profiles. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/156 "2019-11-14T13:49:20Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I think I’ve figured out the problem. Everyone is approaching it as if a relationship is that thing where _you are to be served the choices you want_. > > It’s not. \*That \*thing is a restaurant. I don’t think so. This discussion is about deciding who you might want to have a relationship with, not picking and choosing what attributes you find acceptable once you are in relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/157 "2019-11-14T14:27:43Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > I don’t think so. This discussion is about deciding who you might want to have a relationship with, not picking and choosing what attributes you find acceptable once you are in relationship. \I always thought dating was supposed to be that phase where you figure out and discover things about each other - and discover whether or not you are compatible. You can’t possibly know everything in advance, but I guess I agree that you should try to know _some_ things. I think all we have here is disagreement about whether this particular thing is in the category of things that should be known, or discovered. IMO, because it seems to be quite a private thing, it feels as though it should be something that should not be obligatory to disclose to the whole market. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/158 "2019-11-14T14:46:19Z")
The questions and answers in this thread are making me aware of something. I like women as companions and friends. I’m sexually attracted to female people. To the anatomy, the physical configuration, with an especially strong fondness for the morphology of the genital parts. Those female people need not be women. I still find the package sexually enticing. **Inner Stickler** writes (pretty far upthread): > [@](#): > > I am attracted to men, not penises. And if you think that finding out someone you find attractive and sweet and caring has a penis instead of a vulva is a dealbreaker, I don’t think you should call yourself straight, you should say you’re a vulvaphile or whatever so that your potential partners know exactly why you’re into them. \*\* nods \*\* I doubt that it will catch on as a term, but conceptually yeah. I’m _not_ precisely straight. Straight people are attracted to the opposite _gender_, not just the opposite _sex_. Straightness – how it’s done, how the courting and flirting and making out are scripted – is set up as a very gendered sequence of behaviors. I’m the wrong gender to be straight with women and most female people are, of course, women. But I could be straight with female people whose gender isn’t “woman”. Straightbackwards. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/159 "2019-11-14T14:57:08Z")
I wonder how many guys who believe they are entitled to know whether a woman they take on a first date has a dick would eagerly reveal their most unattractive quality to a woman who asks them out on a date. Woman: “You are so cute! Would you like to join me for lunch one day? Here is my number.” Guy: “Sure, but I have to let you know that I can’t last longer than a minute. And I refuse to go down on a woman or do anything besides the missionary position. My past girlfriends all left me because I am selfish in bed. I also have dingleberries. Still interested?” Sent from my moto x4 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329/160 "2019-11-14T15:48:39Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I wonder how many guys who believe they are entitled to know whether a woman they take on a first date has a dick would eagerly reveal their most unattractive quality to a woman who asks them out on a date. A “woman” with a dick isn’t a woman. There’s women, and trans women. There’s nothing bigoted about having a preference for one or the other. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-expect-to-know-what-genitals-a-person-has-before-a-first-date/843329.md?page=9)