# Should you get paid extra working 11 to 7pm, (end of Daylight Savings last night)? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 3, 2024, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615 "2024-11-03T16:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/1 "2024-11-03T16:19:44Z")
Contract employees get a flat salary. If we worked an extra hour, working 11 to 7 last night. Do we get anything? Except the privilege of keeping our jobs? _Should we get any compensation_ for that extra hour? I never got paid extra for covering Call at night. [Officially hourly employees are supposed to get paid for that hour.](https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/whd/flsa/hoursworked/screenER11.asp?origin=serp_auto) But in the real world, what happens? For example a Cashier at a convenience store working 11 to 7pm. Or a waitress at a truck stop? Nurses at a nursing home? CNA’S at a nursing home? ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/2 "2024-11-03T16:23:11Z")
Are you going to give it back the next time the clock changes? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/3 "2024-11-03T16:23:59Z")
I may not be employed there next Spring. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/4 "2024-11-03T16:24:41Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > CNA’S at a nursing home This was me for many years and yes, we got paid for that extra hour. At 2am the time clock shifted back an hour just like all the other clocks so as far as it – and HR – was concerned we worked a 9 hour shift, which of course we had. If that put us into OT for the week, well thems the breaks. It’s not like they could simply pretend that extra hour didn’t exist. They didn’t have any other choice, really. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/5 "2024-11-03T16:27:33Z")
I have wondered how Daylight Saving Time effected hourly. They schedule the change early Sunday when many people are off work and asleep. Except, many people are working then. I didn’t realize modern Timeclocks automatically change. That does make the pay adjustments automatic. You get paid less in the Spring clock change and more in Fall. ---
**Author:** ![Everlong88](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/everlong88/32/17800_2.png) [@Everlong88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Everlong88)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/6 "2024-11-03T16:29:34Z")
Daylight Saving\* Time ---
**Author:** ![BrickBat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac91a4/32.png) [@BrickBat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrickBat)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/7 "2024-11-03T16:37:08Z")
From my midnights/3rd-shift days, DST endings the employee has the option of either leaving at the new normal end-of-shift time ( though with one hour less pay ) or staying an extra hour in order to attain the full 8 hours of pay. I always chose the former. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/8 "2024-11-03T16:50:45Z")
If you work an extra hour, you should get paid for that hour. I feel the same way about leap seconds. And what if you have to work on February 29th? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/9 "2024-11-03T16:52:06Z")
Giving the employee an option to work an extra hour next Spring is fair. The hourly jobs that I briefly held weren’t Graveyard shifts. I never encountered the time change. We had a old [1980’s time stamp clock](http://www.timeclockexpress.com/media/ecom/prodlg/4700.jpg) at work. All official paperwork that comes into our office is stamped. I was usually the one that Adjusted the time stamp clock. It required a key to open the lid and reach the controls. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/10 "2024-11-03T16:58:07Z")
I always was paid for the extra hour. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/11 "2024-11-03T16:58:29Z")
I just looked, and yes, the overnight shifts at our company have logged an extra hour each. The system is basically running on UTC in the background. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/12 "2024-11-03T18:13:46Z")
It would be useful if all the OP’s references in all their posts were changed from 11-7pm to the correct 11pm-7 **am**. As it’s written, he’s talking about 11 Sat morning to 7pm Sat evening which is about 7 hours before the DST changeover even happened. The short answer of course is hourly employees are paid for the duration actually worked, regardless of what times the clock says they started or stopped. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/13 "2024-11-03T18:16:21Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > It would be useful if all the OP’s > references in all their posts were changed from 11-7pm to the correct 11pm-7 **am**. Because everybody was clearly confused by what he wrote. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/14 "2024-11-03T18:49:12Z")
> [@BrickBat](#): > > From my midnights/3rd-shift days, DST _endings_ the employee has the option of either leaving at the new normal end-of-shift time ( though with one hour less pay ) or staying an extra hour in order to attain the full 8 hours of pay. I always chose the former. I’m going to assume you meant DST _beginnings_, because it’s the spring when you have the potential to lose an hour of pay. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/15 "2024-11-04T03:26:32Z")
When I worked DST and worked an extra hour, I was paid an hour of overtime. When I started working and I worked DST and lost an hour, I had a choice. I could lose an hour of pay or I could stay an extra hour past my normal leaving time so I worked a full eight hour shift. This was later changed and I left at my regular time and got paid for an eight hour shift, even though I had only been there seven hours. But here’s an important note; I was paid hourly wages. I was not on a straight salary. (In fact, I turned down supposed promotions that would have put me on a salary because I was making more money on wages.) ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/16 "2024-11-04T04:54:57Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > For example a Cashier at a convenience store working 11 to 7pm. When I was a graveyard shift 7-11 cashier in the early 1990s in Oregon, yes, I did get paid that extra hour if I worked the night we fell back. Boss very likely didn’t like it, being the miserly sort, but he didn’t really have a choice. I was there and working for 9 actual hours, he was required to pay me for said 9 hours. OTOH, I did lose that hour if I worked the night we sprang forward, on similar logic. I was there and working for 7 actual hours, he only had to pay me for said 7 hours. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/17 "2024-11-04T07:20:15Z")
> [@Lancia](#): > > At 2am the time clock shifted back an hour so… we worked a 9 hour shift What happens for people who are not allowed to work that extra hour? Truck drivers, pilots, etc are required by law to take rest breaks. (for example: I have been on plane flights that got cancelled because the flight attendants were required to stop working after x hours, and the new crew didn’t arrive on time.) ---
**Author:** ![Dereknocue67](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6de8d8/32.png) [@Dereknocue67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dereknocue67)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/18 "2024-11-04T07:51:00Z")
In high school, I worked in a grocery store using a time clock to punch in/out, and once worked the midnight shift during the Fall time change. I clocked in at 11 p.m. and 8 hours later, clocked out at 7 a.m. Afterward, the bookkeeper turned the clock back one hour. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/19 "2024-11-04T14:17:11Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > > [@Lancia](#): > > > > At 2am the time clock shifted back an hour so… we worked a 9 hour shift > > What happens for people who are not allowed to work that extra hour? Truck drivers, pilots, etc are required by law to take rest breaks. > (for example: I have been on plane flights that got cancelled because the flight attendants were required to stop working after x hours, and the new crew didn’t arrive on time.) In the airline biz, time changes happen every single day as we move from time zone to time zone. Often several times during one workday, or across several hours of timezones. The answer is that everything is computed in a single consistent time zone: UTC. And converted to local time for display purposes. It still takes e.g. 9-1/2 hours to fly from ABC to DEF no matter what the clocks at one or both ends are doing. Actual elapsed duration is actual elapsed duration. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615/20 "2024-11-04T14:53:09Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > What happens for people who are not allowed to work that extra hour? Truck drivers, pilots, etc are required by law to take rest breaks. > (for example: I have been on plane flights that got cancelled because the flight attendants were required to stop working after x hours, and the new crew didn’t arrive on time.) You said it yourself: regulations dictate that the crew is required to stop working after _x_ hours. Has nothing to do with the wall-clock time.(which will anyway vary wildly since they are flying over long distances). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-you-get-paid-extra-working-11-to-7pm-end-of-daylight-savings-last-night/1009615.md?page=2)