# Shouldn't we just murder the "death-panel" idiots? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2009, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157 "2009-08-12T11:20:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/41 "2009-08-12T18:59:33Z")
I mean, it’s one thing to think dumb, paranoid thoughts or even to test them out on your nearest and dearest, but to say them in public, with cameras and reporters present? It’s as if they were scheming “How can we best insure that this evil government conspiracy to wipe alla us out can know who we are, and where we live, and how intractably and stubbornly resistant we are to reason and to social awareness and all that nasty stuff? Can we get, like, name badges, and ranks, to make it super-easy for them to climb into our bedroom windows and smother us while we sleep?” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/42 "2009-08-12T19:03:50Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > So why not just get the names of everyone who thinks like a paranoid idiot that we (???) are out to kill them and, since we’re going to get blamed for it, just knock them all off right now? Clean up the gene pool, raise the national IQ a few points, lower the volume on this tedious discussion–win-win-win. **GET THE PARANOIDS!** God forbid they should be disappointed! ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/43 "2009-08-12T19:04:29Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > See, the reason you’re near-universally regarded as a dick… Spokeman for and definer of the near-universe: **Bryan Ekers**. Thanks. I depend of your probable assessment before I post. Your opinions have gotten increasingly meaningful to me over the years, and I rely on them for sound judgment. And of course, it’s not just me. It’s nearly galaxy-wide. I’m quite sure. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/44 "2009-08-12T19:13:35Z")
See, that was weakness on display for all the world to see. Sarcasm without cleverness is, well, “lame” encapsulates it perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/45 "2009-08-12T22:02:49Z")
Can we get back to the killin’? Because that’s what I was promised. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/46 "2009-08-12T22:07:55Z")
> [@5que](#): > > Can we get back to the killin’? Because that’s what I was promised. Nope, the killin was bargained away in negotiations with blue-dog democrats. Now it’s just red hot pokers up the ass. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/47 "2009-08-12T22:31:44Z")
I would recommend that anyone with a genuine interest in how health care works in other 1st world countries check out these posts at the Denialism blog: [What is health care like in the UK, Canada, and New Zealand](http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2009/05/what_is_health_care_like_in_th.php#more) [Are Patients in Universal Healthcare Countries Less Satisfied?](http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2009/05/are_patients_in_universal_heal.php) The findings, in a nutshell, are that wait times, access, money, results, rationing, and any of the other bugbears I haven’t heard of are, for the most part, bogus arguments against universal health care. (Wait times are a concern in Canada and the UK, but not in the other countries listed.) ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/48 "2009-08-13T00:04:56Z")
I think murder is a little too much, but I’m fine with compulsory sterilization. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/49 "2009-08-13T00:56:51Z")
> [@Dick\_Dastardly](#): > > I think murder is a little too much, but I’m fine with compulsory sterilization. Can we throw in frontal lobotomies at no extra charge? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/50 "2009-08-13T00:59:40Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Can we throw in frontal lobotomies at no extra charge? I think we’re too late. On the plus side, they paid full price. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/51 "2009-08-13T01:40:20Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Spokeman for and definer of the near-universe: **Bryan Ekers**. I’m **Vinyl Turnip** , and I approve his message. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/52 "2009-08-13T01:51:46Z")
> [@Der Trihs to Jimmy Joe Meager](#): > > Well, that’s an accurate statement. Is it propaganda if it’s the simple truth? It’s propoganda, in my opinion, if it is disseminated by the govnernment, whether it’s true or not. A “Just Say No” campaign is propoganda, even though it is true that some drugs can really fuck you up. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/53 "2009-08-13T02:42:20Z")
[Now Michael Steele is doing it.](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/steele-palins-talk-of-a-death-panel-is-perfectly-appropriate.php?ref=fpb) :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/54 "2009-08-13T04:14:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The point of these proposed boards is that they will have the power to control whether _the government pays for medicine_. You will still be able to buy medicine yourself even if you’re “condemned” by the death panel, or to purchase supplemental insurance which will provide it for you. People keep saying this, but they also keep saying that if the plan goes into effect then insurance companies will be forbidden to write new policies…so, if you ever lose your private policy, you’ll have to take the government one. These things can’t both be correct, so which is it? You can still buy new private insurance policies \*\*\*\*or \*\*\*\*the insurance companies won’t be able to sell them to you? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/55 "2009-08-13T04:27:46Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > They don’t want all the old people dead either - old people are some of their best customers. Yes, but they want old people to believe that they’re going to be killed so they’ll become allies in their battle to continue financially raping the young people. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/56 "2009-08-13T13:09:07Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > People keep saying this, but they also keep saying that if the plan goes into effect then insurance companies will be forbidden to write new policies…so, if you ever lose your private policy, you’ll have to take the government one. That’s because people are _making things up_. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/57 "2009-08-13T17:36:55Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Nope, the killin was bargained away in negotiations with blue-dog democrats. Now it’s just red hot pokers up the ass. I thought we just got through with 8 years of that… ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/58 "2009-08-13T18:41:47Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > People keep saying this, but they also keep saying that if the plan goes into effect then insurance companies will be forbidden to write new policies…so, if you ever lose your private policy, you’ll have to take the government one. > > These things can’t both be correct, so which is it? You can still buy new private insurance policies \*\*\*\*or \*\*\*\*the insurance companies won’t be able to sell them to you? That’s not true. The bill has some requirements that any new policy has to meet i.e. they have to ignore pre-existing conditions, they have to renew you unless you don’t pay premiums, some other things that mostly help sick, old or at risk people get covered more affordably, presumably at the cost of premiums rising for young healthy people. Old policies are grandfathered in, and do not have to meet these requirements. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/59 "2009-08-13T19:07:23Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > People keep saying this, but they also keep saying that if the plan goes into effect then insurance companies will be forbidden to write new policies…so, if you ever lose your private policy, you’ll have to take the government one. > > These things can’t both be correct, so which is it? You can still buy new private insurance policies \*\*\*\*or \*\*\*\*the insurance companies won’t be able to sell them to you? Before anyone else goes into any detail attempting to correct the errors, how about a little good faith offer on your part. If you read the bills and get information, etc. will you start rejecting the information from the people who are either mistaken or lying? My mother will parrot talking points and then, if they are disproven, go back and listen to those same people again and parrot those talking points. She never says, “Enough. This source is tainted.” ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157/60 "2009-08-13T19:10:39Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Have the Pharm , Hospital and financial lobbies been disbanded? Like the Doobie Brothers, man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shouldnt-we-just-murder-the-death-panel-idiots/506157.md?page=4)