# Showdown #1: National Geographic vs The Economist **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 3, 2006, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305 "2006-01-03T23:57:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/1 "2006-01-03T23:57:31Z")
In the first of a series of completely random one on one battles we have a battle of preferred magazines… In this corner is **National Geographic** Monthly, glossy, filled with beuatiful and interesting pictures. Don’t just be fooled by the pretty pictures though. This magazine has some teeth to it, featuring timely article on in-depth issues, interesting articles on geogrphic nature andhistory as well. And a highly international focus, albeit still from a American-centric vantage point. And in this corner, **The Economist** A weekly magazine filled to the brim with articles from around the globe, although focusing mostly on Europe and the USA (with plenty of Asia thrown in). A magazine that does not dumb itself down and is very timely and gives an intelligent voice to whatever the current discussion is or even what it will be, often ahead of the curve on relavant issues. My personal judgement, while i love **The Economist** , there is nothing better than seeing that new issue of **National Geographic**. I am a very visual person and much of the photography in there is stunning. And i don’t feel short-changed by the articles either. **The Economist** wonderful, but often too dense for my taste. If I don’t get to it almost right away then it may never get read. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Scrivener](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@The\_Scrivener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Scrivener)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/2 "2006-01-04T00:04:02Z")
The Economist. Nobody matches them for their level and breadth of global reportage. ---
**Author:** ![scout1222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@scout1222](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scout1222)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/3 "2006-01-04T00:23:48Z")
National Geographic wins on aesthetics, but for content I prefer what The Economist has to offer. I just started a subscription to it, and there is a TON of stuff in it. Since it’s a weekly, though, it really is a time commitment to actually try and read most everything in it. I hate to say it, but I don’t find the subject matter (for the most part, there are exceptions) of NG articles as interesting. Their pictures are fabulous of course, but if I’m getting a magazine, I want to read stuff that interests me. ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/4 "2006-01-04T00:51:43Z")
Well, **The Economist** would no doubt want to let the markets decide, and I’m fairly certain that **NG** outsells them, so **NG** wins. I acutally prefere **The Economist** , it’s news that’s much less dumbed down then the stuff one gets from most sources, without being too high level for me. They have the worst, most inaccurate science/tech writing of any magazine I read, though, so I just read the news, opinions and economics piecies. ---
**Author:** ![Kilvert\_s\_Pagan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@Kilvert\_s\_Pagan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilvert_s_Pagan)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/5 "2006-01-04T00:58:59Z")
I agree with the comment regarding the time commitment required for _The Economist_, although I really like it on those few occasions I actually get to read it (read: on airplanes). I read NG cover-to-cover every month and very much look forward to it. So I guess NG wins. [minor hijack]Will a future showdown be between _The New Republic_ and _The Weekly Standard_? 😃 [/minor hijack] ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/6 "2006-01-04T01:14:26Z")
I subscribe to **The Economist**. I might read **National Geographic** at the dentist’s office. Maybe. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/7 "2006-01-04T01:45:07Z")
The Economist does have a great breadth of news reporting and does an excellent job but what tips the balance to National Geographic in my mind is the bias that the Economist shows in economic and political matters. For example in the December 17th-23rd issue regarding health care costs and lawsuits on page 32: > [@](#): > > You might imagine that the Democrats would be keen to change a system that leaves so many poor people uninsured, overcharged and uncompensated I mean comeon, when I read that I know that this is not going to be an unbiased look at the issue. It is simply going to be Democrats/Liberals are wrong and we/conservatives are right. Admittedly I have not been an avid reader of the Economist (mostly becuase its so damn expensive) but would you expect to ever see an article about the successes of nationalized health care? In another article that I can’t remember when it was published at the moment they were talking about outsourcing and said something to the effect of “Democrat leader X repeatidly says he is concerned about poor people but I guess he isn’t concerned about the ones in China.” Again, that indicates that I am not recieving an impartial analysis of the issue at hand. In the article about Tookie Williams they show their (admitted) bias against the death penalty on page 28: > [@](#): > > The decision to **kill** Mr Williams Please, the unbiased word to use in this situation is execute. Kill brings a much different, inaccurate in this case, connotation than execute. If the Economist would just report economic issues like they do non-economic issues this would be a landslide victory for The Economist. As it stands I don’t bother to read the articles about economic issues, not becuase of the direction of the bias but becuase it is so evident. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/8 "2006-01-04T03:13:30Z")
Moving thread from IMHO to Cafe Society. ---
**Author:** ![Neptunian\_Slug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce7236/32.png) [@Neptunian\_Slug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neptunian_Slug)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/9 "2006-01-04T04:13:58Z")
The Economist wins hands down. They do have their particular bias and some folks don’t like that. But they are upfront and honest about it. You always know where they are coming from and can choose to disagree. In terms of its coverage of the world’s events, I can’t imagine that there is anything better in the English language. National Geographic has nice maps. The historical bits can be interesting. So if that’s your bag, then by all means, enjoy. If I want current events, the Economist is the way to go. As far as the time commitment involved, I guess I have never had a problem. Since their site gives you free access if you subscribe to the print edition, I can go in at the office and pull down a few stories to read. While some folks take a few minutes to loaf, check stock prices, or hockey scores, I knock down one or two short pieces. ---
**Author:** ![Coil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Coil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coil)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/10 "2006-01-04T10:24:19Z")
I do not read National Geographic very often (maybe once or twice a year while waiting at the denitist or doctor). I still feel pretty comfortable in voting for The Economist for all the reasons previous posters have already stated. It is an extremely good magazine and the only problem is that since most of it is so good it’ll take a lot of reading time every week. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/11 "2006-01-04T12:49:09Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Admittedly I have not been an avid reader of the Economist (mostly becuase its so damn expensive) but would you expect to ever see an article about the successes of nationalized health care? Yes. Read the sections on the NHS - there’s been about one a week lately. They don’t have a problem talking about its successes, as well as its failures and they haven’t (to my knowledge) ever advocated a US-style system of completely private healthcare providers to be implemented in the UK. They just had a large spotlight on healthcare a while back, and they spoke glowingly of most European nationalized healthcare systems, but completely panned the US style across the board - noting its gross inefficiency and complete failure to insure everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2006, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-1-national-geographic-vs-the-economist/338305/12 "2006-01-04T14:37:21Z")
To give a few examples with a quick search on the Economist archives, we have The Economist on the NHS: > [@The Economist](#): > > Despite all this, the NHS’s 50th birthday should be a cause for celebration, not gloom. No longer does one child in 15 die before the age of 11, as was the case before the health service was invented. A boy born today in an NHS hospital is expected, on average, to live for 75 years, compared with just 66 years in 1948. And, whereas poor people once feared the knock of the “doctor’s man” (ie, his debt collector) at their doors, they can now call on the services of a doctor, round the clock, without ever thinking of the cost. The Economist on the US system of healthcare: > [@The Economist](#): > > AMERICANS are constantly told that their health care is the best in the world. In terms of research, technology and advances in surgery, the boast is undoubtedly true. In other ways, it is hard to justify. At any one time, more than 43m Americans under the age of 65 have no health insurance (the elderly are covered by Medicare, a federal insurance programme). The infant mortality rate for black Americans runs at 14 per 1,000 live births, double the rate for white Americans and over four times the rate in Japan. Indeed, in a 2000 study of the effectiveness of health-care systems around the world, the World Health Organisation ranked America only 37th (France came top)… > This is a poor reward for spending more on health than any other country. Health care accounts for almost 15% of America’s gross domestic product, compared with less than 8% for Japan and Britain. Moreover, where other countries pay for their health care mostly out of taxation (the OECD average in 2001 was 72%), over half of America’s spending is accounted for by private insurance—normally provided by an employer—and out-of-pocket payments. Indeed, America is the only industrialised democracy without publicly funded universal health cover.