# Showdown! Justice League of America vs. the X-Men **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 23, 2004, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242 "2004-11-23T06:03:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242/341 "2004-12-08T03:49:57Z")
Oh yeah? I’ll see your Ion and raise you The Beyonder. I mean, he did kill the entire New Mutants, then ressurect them to fight against every other earth hero in Secret Wars. So technically, he was a member of the New Mutants. Yeah, that’s it. Since the New Mutants were the junior X-men, the Beyonder counts as a member of the X-team. Ooooh, not so tough now are ya! Are ya! Of course, when you start having God-man, the hero with omnipotent super powers, on your team, the rest of the team starts to get pretty superflous. Hasn’t anyone read Tom the Dancing Bug? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242/342 "2004-12-08T14:04:51Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > If the JLA gets to have Ion, then the X-men get to have [Infinity Man](http://home.netcom.com/~rogermw/champions/infinity_man.html). > > (I don’t **care** that Infinity Man was never part of the X-men. It’s the principle of the thing.) Hey, I GMed this character. He was beaten by the supervillian team _Square Root of Negative Pi_ and never seen again. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242/343 "2004-12-08T17:21:19Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > He’s an actual character? Well … Infinity Man is a _character_, in the sense that the D&D paladin I rolled up 5 minutes ago is a character. > [@](#): > > Shows what I know then… I just assumed he was some uberhero that some slavering fanboy created. The former does not necessarily preclude the latter. Doesn’t mean I don’t want to see him trounce some DC comics characters, though. \ ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242/344 "2004-12-08T23:22:25Z")
> [@Nightime](#): > > Didn’t Dr Polaris (Magneto ripoff) use J’onn’s iron rich blood to defeat him? > > Remember? Back when he owned the JLA singlehandedly with the same powers as Magneto? Yeah, I know the issue, I just don’t remember the full circumstances. But I was talking about the water thing with J’onn. Not the magnetic thing. As is readily apparent from the section you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2004, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242/345 "2004-12-08T23:24:01Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Oh yeah? I’ll see your Ion and raise you The Beyonder. > > I mean, he did kill the entire New Mutants, then ressurect them to fight against every other earth hero in Secret Wars. So technically, he was a member of the New Mutants. Yeah, that’s it. Since the New Mutants were the junior X-men, the Beyonder counts as a member of the X-team. > > Ooooh, not so tough now are ya! Are ya! > > Of course, when you start having God-man, the hero with omnipotent super powers, on your team, the rest of the team starts to get pretty superflous. Hasn’t anyone read Tom the Dancing Bug? Dude. If you want the Beyonder, you can have him. Really. You’re talking about a schmuck with the worst costume and haircut in the history of comics … save perhaps Thor… who got suckered into giving up his powers like a chump. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242/346 "2004-12-09T00:18:52Z")
Ah, who am I kidding. Gamera’s right. J’onn would just ask the Beyonder why he existed, and the Beyonder would self-destruct like a computer on Start Trek TOS. What a dolt that character was. “I seek to understand death. Therefore I will kill the New Mutants. Ah, I’ve killed the New Mutants, but since I am immortal I still do not understand death. Oh, woe is me. Tell me, what is this emotion you hu-mans call ‘Love’?” Whoever came up with the Beyonder storyline should be kicked in the stomach. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242/347 "2004-12-09T00:40:23Z")
> [@Nightime](#): > > Didn’t Dr Polaris (Magneto ripoff) use J’onn’s iron rich blood to defeat him? As an aside, in general, magnetic-powered characters existed long, looooong before Magneto. \* And in specific, Dr. Polaris (Green Lantern #21, June '62) would have had to work pretty hard to rip off Magneto (X-Men #1, Sep, '63)! 😃 (Although Magneto had a _far_ better costume) Footnoting Fenris \*First thought, Cosmic Boy, Adventure #247, April '58. But he was nowhere near the first either. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242/348 "2004-12-09T02:26:30Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Ah, who am I kidding. Gamera’s right. J’onn would just ask the Beyonder why he existed, and the Beyonder would self-destruct like a computer on Start Trek TOS. What a dolt that character was. > > “I seek to understand death. Therefore I will kill the New Mutants. Ah, I’ve killed the New Mutants, but since I am immortal I still do not understand death. Oh, woe is me. Tell me, what is this emotion you hu-mans call ‘Love’?” The Beyonder was a Ferengi? ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242/349 "2004-12-09T13:09:29Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > The Beyonder was a Ferengi? Sounds more like a “Robot Monster”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showdown-justice-league-of-america-vs-the-x-men/276242.md?page=17)