# Showing Cleavage Then Covering It- Why? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 21, 2013, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892 "2013-01-21T07:42:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/541 "2013-02-07T20:34:32Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > If, after wanking out a few Mad Men episodes you’d like to defend your “male garments” buffoonery, please join us. I think you misunderstand. Most trousers that are sold in the men’s department actually have a tiny penis and a pair of polyester testicles. That’s all he means when he calls them “male garments.” ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/542 "2013-02-07T20:49:44Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I think you misunderstand. Most trousers that are sold in the men’s department actually have a tiny penis and a pair of polyester testicles. That’s all he means when he calls them “male garments.” Ah, he’s miffed about the level playing field. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/543 "2013-02-07T21:29:38Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > Easy for you to say, little feller. I’m sure you’re beating off fantasy girls left and right while having the girl of your dreams several times per day, but some of these guys transfixed by the Siren’s cleave must settle for generous girls because selective women just won’t suffer gawkers. Actually, just because I am young doesn’t mean I am like that. First of all, I can’t date before college, and even if I could date, I am holding off sex until marriage anyways. So I _really_ wouldn’t date a slut.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/544 "2013-02-07T21:40:25Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > Actually, just because I am young doesn’t mean I am like that. First of all, I can’t date before college, and even if I could date, I am holding off sex until marriage anyways. So I _really_ wouldn’t date a slut.:rolleyes: Nobody cares who, when or why you do or don’t date. However, it will be very good for you to take at least one gender studies course in college. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/545 "2013-02-07T22:40:40Z")
> [@colander](#): > > Nobody cares who, when or why you do or don’t date. However, it will be very good for you to take at least one gender studies course in college. Yeah, well that is good. I don’t really want people to care. It is my business. But how is a gender studies course supposed to be beneficial to me? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/546 "2013-02-07T22:52:10Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > Yeah, well that is good. I don’t really want people to care. It is my business. Perhaps you shouldn’t voluntarily tell an entire message board the status of your penis then, yeah? ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/547 "2013-02-07T22:58:59Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > Yeah, well that is good. I don’t really want people to care. It is my business. > > But how is a gender studies course supposed to be beneficial to me? The same way that knowing how to do arithmetic and how to eat without swallowing your own tongue is beneficial to you. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/548 "2013-02-07T23:13:35Z")
> [@colander](#): > > The same way that knowing how to do arithmetic and how to eat without swallowing your own tongue is beneficial to you. You realize that very few men take gender studies, right? It is usually a bunch of feminists hating on men. Yeah, I think I will pass on that. ---
**Author:** ![apollonia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2bfe46/32.png) [@apollonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apollonia)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/549 "2013-02-07T23:17:58Z")
Thank goodness we have 15-year-old self-professed virgins until marriage hanging around telling us what feminism and gender studies are about! I mean, otherwise we’d be having an interesting and productive conversation or something. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/550 "2013-02-07T23:19:28Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > You realize that very few men take gender studies, right? It is usually a bunch of feminists hating on men. Yeah, I think I will pass on that. And what else have you learned from sitcoms, young man? You should start your own “Ask the kid” thread. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/551 "2013-02-07T23:22:51Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > You realize that very few men take gender studies, right? It is usually a bunch of feminists hating on men. Yeah, I think I will pass on that. I’m not sure why you think you would know anything about a course of study you are obviously completely ignorant of. But you do that a lot, so whatevs. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/552 "2013-02-07T23:26:25Z")
> [@colander](#): > > I’m not sure why you think you would know anything about a course of study you are completely ignorant of. But you do that a lot, so whatevs. I did a quick web search. Maybe you could “fight some ignorance” (isn’t that what this site is about?) and tell me about it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/553 "2013-02-07T23:26:59Z")
> [@apollonia](#): > > Thank goodness we have 15-year-old self-professed virgins until marriage hanging around telling us what feminism and gender studies are about! I mean, otherwise we’d be having an interesting and productive conversation or something. _snerk_ ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/554 "2013-02-07T23:27:43Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > You realize that very few men take gender studies, right? It is usually a bunch of feminists hating on men. Yeah, I think I will pass on that. And you know this from first hand experience of course. There were usually several men in my gender studies courses. The only men we “hated on” where the ones stupid enough to think that it would be a good place to find a date. We did do a lot of hating on a patriarchal culture, but that is not the same thing as hating on men. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/555 "2013-02-07T23:31:46Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > I did a quick web search. Maybe you could “fight some ignorance” (isn’t that what this site is about?) and tell me about it. 😉 Remedial tutoring is not my job. ;););)😉 ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/556 "2013-02-07T23:32:27Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > And you know this from first hand experience of course. > > There were usually several men in my gender studies courses. The only men we “hated on” where the ones stupid enough to think that it would be a good place to find a date. We did do a lot of hating on a patriarchal culture, but that is not the same thing as hating on men. My point is, why should I take gender studies? What am I going to learn from this course? Just asking. I actually wasn’t expecting to be talking about gender studies courses, but **colander** got me into it, so yeah… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/557 "2013-02-07T23:39:36Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > My point is, why should I take gender studies? What am I going to learn from this course? Just asking. I actually wasn’t expecting to be talking about gender studies courses, but **colander** got me into it, so yeah… You’ll learn about the ways that your sex affects the way you see the world. It’s a bit like a fish taking an Ocean Studies course: until the fish takes it, the fish doesn’t realize that there’s land out there. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/558 "2013-02-07T23:46:53Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > My point is, why should I take gender studies? What am I going to learn from this course? Just asking. I actually wasn’t expecting to be talking about gender studies courses, but **colander** got me into it, so yeah… You’ve made derogatory comments about feminism before. I’m curious, your dad’s name Archie Bunker by any chance? ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/559 "2013-02-07T23:55:04Z")
Double post ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892/560 "2013-02-07T23:56:18Z")
> [@GreenElf](#): > > So I don’t appreciate a very brief glance from yards away being classified as a hovercraft ogle. As some of your “Clara Bartons” have noted, it’s not always because the viewer is perceived as a creepy ogler but rather because of other factors such as changes in the way the shirt is fitting throughout the day. _re-reads OP_ So it’s happening both when your conversing with women and preemptive action from yards away, too? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/showing-cleavage-then-covering-it-why/647892.md?page=29)