# Shows you Bailed on **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837 "2015-04-29T20:11:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/41 "2015-04-30T02:26:42Z")
_Castle_: I really liked the show but I’ve gotten out of the habit and now I don’t know what’s going on. _Scorpion_: I gave it a fair shot but the Mary Sueing and MacGuyvering are just too much. _I Zombie_: I like this show but it’s on opposite another show I watch regularly which means I have to make an effort to catch episodes online after they’re broadcast. So it’s another show I’ve fallen behind on. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/42 "2015-04-30T02:27:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > _Castle_: I really liked the show but I’ve gotten out of the habit and now I don’t know what’s going on. > > _Scorpion_: I gave it a fair shot but the Mary Sueing and MacGuyvering are just too much. > > _I Zombie_: I like this show but it’s on opposite another show I watch regularly which means I have to make an effort to catch episodes online after they’re broadcast. So it’s another show I’ve fallen behind on. what does Mary Sueing mean? ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/43 "2015-04-30T02:32:14Z")
Gotham, all the CSIs years ago, whatever that thing is with the unsubs, Lawn Order — all of them; not sure which one remains with that franchi$e. Maybe Lawn Order: Screwing the Pooch. Looks like I’m done with cop shows. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/44 "2015-04-30T02:34:25Z")
The Simpsons. Great show for the first, I dunno, 5 or 6 seasons, and then just predictable and boring. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/45 "2015-04-30T02:37:44Z")
> [@Kenm](#): > > Gotham, all the CSIs years ago, whatever that thing is with the unsubs, Lawn Order — all of them; not sure which one remains with that franchi$e. Maybe Lawn Order: Screwing the Pooch. > > Looks like I’m done with cop shows. the show with unsubs is probably Criminal Minds ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/46 "2015-04-30T02:43:54Z")
I gave up on _Arrow_ when they killed off Black Canary v1. I don’t regret it, this season has been a bit messy from what I can tell, and Felicity with Oliver is a horrible mismatch. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/47 "2015-04-30T02:49:48Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > what does Mary Sueing mean? “Mary Sue” is a term from old Star Trek fan fiction, where the protagonist is too good, just too too clever, smart, perky, and Captain Kirk just falls helplessly in love with her, and she is too painfully obviously a personal projection of the writer’s self-image. (Wesley Crusher, in some of the worst episodes he was in, was a kind of “Mary Sue” for Gene Roddenberry.) ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/48 "2015-04-30T02:52:29Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > “Mary Sue” is a term from old Star Trek fan fiction, where the protagonist is too good, just too too clever, smart, perky, and Captain Kirk just falls helplessly in love with her, and she is too painfully obviously a personal projection of the writer’s self-image. > > (Wesley Crusher, in some of the worst episodes he was in, was a kind of “Mary Sue” for Gene Roddenberry.) ah, ok but (not saying you said that) how is it a flaw of a show about super geniuses that they are too good/clever? ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/49 "2015-04-30T03:01:33Z")
More about Mary Sue: > **[Mary Sue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue)** > > A Mary Sue is a type of fictional character, usually a young woman, who is portrayed as unrealistically free of weaknesses or character flaws. The term "Mary Sue" is often applied pejoratively to strong female heroines considered to be unrealistically capable, both in fan fiction and in commercially published fiction. > The character Mary Sue initially appeared in Paula Smith's 1973 parody short story "A Trekkie's Tale". In that story, Mary Sue symbolizes the idealized characters widespread in ... > [@](#): > > “Mary Sue” today has changed from its original meaning and now carries a generalized, although not universal, connotation of wish-fulfillment and is commonly associated with self-insertion. True self-insertion is a literal and generally undisguised representation of the author; most characters described as “Mary Sues” are not, though they are often called “proxies”[6] for the author. The negative connotation comes from this “wish-fulfillment” implication: the “Mary Sue” is judged as a poorly developed character, too perfect and lacking TV Tropes page: > **[Mary Sue - TV Tropes](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue)** > > Mary Sue is a derogatory term primarily used in Fan Fic circles to describe a particular type of character. This much everyone can agree on. What that character type is, exactly, differs wildly from circle to circle, and often from person to … ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/50 "2015-04-30T03:16:05Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Which recent shows have you given up watching? > > For me, I realized I had three Gothams sitting on my DVR and didn’t care about watching any of them so they are deleted and I think I am done with that show. It wasn’t terrible, I just no longer cared. > > I amthisclose to giving up on the Amazing Race. I bailed on it a few Seasons ago because I was bored. Came back for an All Star Season and stuck around. Bored again. > > How about you? Yep, Gotham for me as well. I was traveling a lot last fall and bought the season pass of Gotham, assuming I’d like it based on the first episode. It lost me after episode 4. I keep getting the iTunes email saying a new episode is now available to download. I can’t believe there are so many episodes that I just won’t ever bother watching. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Spaulding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Miss\_Spaulding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Spaulding)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/51 "2015-04-30T03:33:05Z")
I’m more of a BBC watcher. Except for _Once Upon a Time_ and _The Blacklist_, I’ve pretty much lost all interest in American television. I kind of like _Forever_, but it’s nothing groundbreaking. I’ve fizzled out on: _Downton Abbey_ (it’s okay still I guess, but it’s lost it’s spark big time) _The Mentalist_ (the Red John finale was the worst, so I never got back into it) _Call the Midwife_ (meh…) I’m debating whether or not I’m still interested in _Sleepy Hollow_. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/52 "2015-04-30T03:33:34Z")
Jericho. I started it and watched all of season one and a little bit of season two. I had to quit it because it just got far too boring. Failed to hold my interest. My brother is a huge fan of Supernatural and wanted me to try it. I wanted to eventually start it anyway, so I moved it up in my “show watching” queue. It was very hard to get into. I wasn’t really enjoying it. It was just a dull and boring show that didn’t do well in holding my interest, but brother kept saying “it gets better! It gets better! Just keep with it”, so I did. I watched the whole first season…and, I just didn’t like it. But brother told me to give it another season. I sighed and said okay and I watched another full season: All of season two. There were many times I struggled through it with having to force myself to watch it. Annnnnnnnnd…by the end of season two, I still didn’t like it. Just was too boring for me. I didn’t care about any of the characters, I didn’t care about the story line, I didn’t care about what was happening or what was going to happen or how it would turn out… …but my brother INSISTED it was right at the part where the whole series gets really good, so I continued. I watched all of season three. I didn’t like it. It was boring. I couldn’t get into it. By now, brother is having a huge fit, saying I should be liking it by now and that IF I STILL DON’T, BY SOME CHANCE, then at least wait until a new character coming up was revealed (which would turn out to be Castiel). Okay, so, season four is started. Castiel is introduced. I watch all of season four. I still don’t fucking like this show. It’s like, jesus, I ask my brother when he’s finally going to just admit “Okay, maybe you just don’t like the show. Maybe you won’t ever like it because it’s just not your thing”. At what point is the “okay, if you don’t like it by then, you are probably not going to EVER like it” realization going to hit? I blame myself too, I mean, I was pretty stupid to keep on watching a show I couldn’t stand…but I just kept thinking “Okay, it has to get better eventually.” Nope, it didn’t. It never became any more interesting to me. So if anyone in here says something like “Well, season five/six/seven/etc was the best”, I’m going to scream. 😛 Haha, not really. But yeah, you shouldn’t have to watch four seasons of a show just to find out if you like it or not. Charmed I also gave up on for the same reasons, although with that one I was smart enough to just waste my time watching one season before calling it quits. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/53 "2015-04-30T03:40:54Z")
In the case of _Scorpion_, it’s almost a literal Mary Sue. Walter O’Brien is a real person who created a fictional television series in which the lead character is Walter O’Brien. Here’s the real life [Walter O’Brien](http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Walter+O+Brien+Paley+Center+Media+PaleyFest+BqmNSgoaWGbl.jpg) and here’s [Elyes Gabel](http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/scorpion-gabel1.jpg), the actor cast to play Walter O’Brien. (I know, it’s uncanny. They’re like twins.) Anyway, the physical appearance issue is hardly the worst of it. The show is supposed to be about a team of geniuses but we are repeatedly reminded that Walter O’Brien is far smarter than the rest of them. The show has other problems but I could look beyond them if I liked the characters. But the Walter O’Brien character is sinking the series. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Spaulding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Miss\_Spaulding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Spaulding)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/54 "2015-04-30T03:44:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In the case of _Scorpion_, it’s almost a literal Mary Sue. Walter O’Brien is a real person who created a fictional television series in which the lead character is Walter O’Brien. > > Here’s the real life [Walter O’Brien](http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Walter+O+Brien+Paley+Center+Media+PaleyFest+BqmNSgoaWGbl.jpg) and here’s [Elyes Gabel](http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/scorpion-gabel1.jpg), the actor cast to play Walter O’Brien. (I know, it’s uncanny. They’re like twins.) > > Anyway, the physical appearance issue is hardly the worst of it. The show is supposed to be about a team of geniuses but we are repeatedly reminded that Walter O’Brien is far smarter than the rest of them. > > The show has other problems but I could look beyond them if I liked the characters. But the Walter O’Brien character is sinking the series. I thought that show got cancelled. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/55 "2015-04-30T03:45:46Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In the case of _Scorpion_, it’s almost a literal Mary Sue. Walter O’Brien is a real person who created a fictional television series in which the lead character is Walter O’Brien. > > Here’s the real life [Walter O’Brien](http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Walter+O+Brien+Paley+Center+Media+PaleyFest+BqmNSgoaWGbl.jpg) and here’s [Elyes Gabel](http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/scorpion-gabel1.jpg), the actor cast to play Walter O’Brien. (I know, it’s uncanny. They’re like twins.) > > Anyway, the physical appearance issue is hardly the worst of it. The show is supposed to be about a team of geniuses but we are repeatedly reminded that Walter O’Brien is far smarter than the rest of them. > > The show has other problems but I could look beyond them if I liked the characters. But the Walter O’Brien character is sinking the series. Ah but what did walter obrien look like when he was 25? OTOH, have you read about how obrien is more or less a pathological liar? OTOH, the show is not great or awesome but it is pretty good and some of the solutions they come up with are pretty smart. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/56 "2015-04-30T03:49:11Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In the case of _Scorpion_, it’s almost a literal Mary Sue. Walter O’Brien is a real person who created a fictional television series in which the lead character is Walter O’Brien. > > Here’s the real life [Walter O’Brien](http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Walter+O+Brien+Paley+Center+Media+PaleyFest+BqmNSgoaWGbl.jpg) and here’s [Elyes Gabel](http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/scorpion-gabel1.jpg), the actor cast to play Walter O’Brien. (I know, it’s uncanny. They’re like twins.) Walter thinks that’s what he’d look like if he lost, like, 10 pounds and was Middle Eastern. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/57 "2015-04-30T04:51:34Z")
ST:TNG. I just lost interest at some point. I forget exactly where, but it was before the Borg. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/58 "2015-04-30T05:06:52Z")
**Rectify** Might be an effective treatment for insomnia, though. ---
**Author:** ![Teach-me-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a4c791/32.png) [@Teach-me-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teach-me-not)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/59 "2015-04-30T06:25:32Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > I’ve given up on **Game of Thrones** because of the aforementioned feeling of budget constraints, plus I’ve already read the books so most of the talky bits are repeating stuff I already know. **Game of Thrones** and **Sherlock** , two shows I actually liked a lot. I had binge watched them both, but I lost interest once I was up-to-date with the aired episodes. I was just not interested in waiting for the next season to air, and then watch one episode a week. I figured I will catch up when the shows stop airing. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837/60 "2015-04-30T07:35:49Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > Glee - Once I realized I was fast-forwarding through the songs, I realized it wasn’t worth watching. That actually made it infinitely more watchable. Got me through another couple of seasons. Then they all left and blah blah new york, blah blah new kids. I think when they called Lady Gaga a musical genius that was it, or was it yet another dire middle of the road bland artist. I can’t remember. Even forwarding through yet another sad and soulful whining song didn’t make it worth the overall bad taste in the songs I didn’t even listen to … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shows-you-bailed-on/718837.md?page=4)