# Shrek 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 20, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107 "2004-05-20T03:11:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/1 "2004-05-20T03:11:25Z")
What? No one’s seen this yet? We saw it today. My son liked it, I found it not quite as good as the first one. Banderas as Puss In Boots was good. Eddie Murphy was good as usual. Some interesting charcter twists. Not to forget the weird fetish Pinocchio has, which gave it a PG rating. ---
**Author:** ![wesleywesley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8dc957/32.png) [@wesleywesley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wesleywesley)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/2 "2004-05-20T04:05:37Z")
the new york times said it sucked. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/3 "2004-05-20T05:49:48Z")
The New York Times was wrong. A group of us from work went to see it this afternoon, and we cackled pretty much the entire time. I thought it was rather less child-friendly than the first one, what with the fairy godmother’s first song and the whole thong issue, but somewhat sharper and wittier with a lot more subtle stuff that adults would appreciate but kids just wouldn’t get. (I have to wonder, was I the only one who was waiting for the gingerbread man to say, “Awww, Mongo straight”?) ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/4 "2004-05-20T13:52:50Z")
The 4 adults sitting in frot of us laughed quite a bit through the movie. Especially the white bronco reference. ---
**Author:** ![St.Urho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@St.Urho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Urho)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/5 "2004-05-20T17:10:34Z")
I saw it yesterday and it was great! ---
**Author:** ![jkirkman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@jkirkman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkirkman)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/6 "2004-05-20T17:22:33Z")
> [@wesleywesley](#): > > the new york times said it sucked. Hmmm. That’s not exactly what I walked away with from this review: > **[FILM REVIEW; The New Son-in-Law's an Ogre, And Hollywood Is the Target...](https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/movies/film-review-the-new-son-in-law-s-an-ogre-and-hollywood-is-the-target.html)** > > This sequel revives the raucous high spirits of its predecessor, with some new characters, jokes and satiric targets to compensate for the loss of novelty. Shrek (Mike Myers) and Fiona (Cameron Diaz), now married, travel with Donkey (Eddie Murphy) to... (mini-subscription required–sorta) “For myself I accept “Shrek 2” for what it is — a slick and playful entertainment that remains carefully inoffensive beneath its veneer of bad manners — but I don’t really love it.” That doesn’t EXACTLY equate with “sucked”, at least for me :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![PorkChop47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e68b1a/32.png) [@PorkChop47](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PorkChop47)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/7 "2004-05-20T21:32:46Z")
I’m pretty pumped about Shrek 2. I saw a “making of…” feature on TechTv last night. I’m glad Dreamworks is out there. It gives Pixar a bit of a challenge, so they’re not the only ones in 3D animation out there. I’m doubly pumped about Harry Potter (the third one). I’m too lazy to read the books bring on the movies. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/8 "2004-05-21T06:31:50Z")
It was very funny. It was also very short! 105 minutes my ass! Well, maybe, if count the trailers at the begining. ---
**Author:** ![Catsmeow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Catsmeow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catsmeow)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/9 "2004-05-21T06:44:08Z")
Went to see it tonight and about fell out of my seat at the Puss and Shrek “fight” scene. So like a cat. _G_ **PorkChop47** get the audio books of Harry Potter. Jim Dale is wonderful on them! ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/10 "2004-05-21T12:03:56Z")
It was decent. Banderas was fun; Murphy was annoying; Meyers was - thank heavens! - low-key. What caught me this time somehow more than it did last time was how plastic the human characters look; the most skillful 3D animation still can’t get correct faces or gestures. Now, it’s kind of silly for me to even be thinking about this, but could someone tell me if I’ve gotten the plot right? [spoiler]There’s a frog prince who makes a deal with the fairy godmother to be turned into a real prince, under the condition that his daughter be wed to the godmother’s foppishly handsome son. To facilitate the contrivance, a curse - to become an ogre every dusk until dawn - is placed on the princess such that she may only be cured by a kiss. But must the kiss come from a true love? I seem to rememeber being _told_ that, but were it so, the kiss from Prince Charming wouldn’t have done the trick. And wouldn’t the fairy godmother have thought of this? Why put such a silly curse on her at all? Wouldn’t have any old curse done the trick - say, putting her into a coma like that of Sleeping Beauty? Why did she permanently become an ogre? (Was this answered in the first? I can’t recall.) And why did I even bother _thinking_ about this?[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![simply\_cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8c91f0/32.png) [@simply\_cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simply_cats)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/11 "2004-05-21T13:04:52Z")
Granted I am not the most _criticall_ of movie critics, but I took the little cats to see Shrek 2, and I/we loved it! It seemed to me that there were all kinds of minor references that will appeal to pretty much all ages. I loved the music and cannot wait to get the soundtrack, and am DEFINITELY buying this when it comes out 😃 Go see, enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/12 "2004-05-21T15:14:40Z")
**Eddie Murphy** as the **Ghetto Donkey** ruined the first movie for me, so I won’t be seeing the second one where he apparently becomes the **Ghetto Stallion**. “Look, Massa Shrek! I’s a Stallion!!!” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![PorkChop47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e68b1a/32.png) [@PorkChop47](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PorkChop47)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/13 "2004-05-21T16:28:26Z")
**PorkChop47** get the audio books of Harry Potter. Jim Dale is wonderful on them! [/QUOTE] I might have to do that, it’ll be a bit of a challenge with the wife. She’s gung ho over the new George Michael album…But I’m sure I could sneak some harry potter in the car…and to listen to the whole book. It means only one thing…ROAD TRIP! ---
**Author:** ![Tuco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tuco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuco)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/14 "2004-05-21T17:47:03Z")
Just had a quick look on IMDB to find when it’s released over here (UK). and it’s released on the… wait for it… 2 July 2004!. wtf is all that about? The French get it a week earlier, why do we have to wait? Even South Korea get it before we do. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/15 "2004-05-22T01:31:14Z")
I don’t think that was necessarily part of the original deal, **Cheese.** It could have been after-the-fact blackmail. After all, neither of them would have even been born yet. My take on it is something more like this: [spoiler] The Frog Prince appeals to the Fairy Godmother to make him human, so he can woo and win his princess. He succeeds, and has a daughter, who is under a curse–to be human by day and an ogre by night. When she kisses (marries? It’s been a long time since I saw the first one) her true love, she’ll assume her true form forever. (That was the kicker for the first movie–everyone assumes her true form is human, but her “cursed” form is her true one. It seems kind of implausible that two humans would produce an ogre, but since her father is actually a frog, perhaps she’s one of those “cute little mutant babies.”) I always thought the curse was an inborn thing, what with it being wrapped up with her true form and all, but AFAIK that’s not something they really explain in either movie. At any rate, the FG wouldn’t have been the one to put the curse on her. For one thing, it’s a very unweildy and inefficient way of doing things, and for another, that’s not how fg’s usually work. Curses are generally more of an evil fairy with a grudge deal. Besides, it’s a pretty basic tenet of the fairy tale that it’s _always_ the true love who succeeds in rescuing the princess. So if Charming had succeeded, the kiss would have worked. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Cowgirl\_Jules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@Cowgirl\_Jules](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cowgirl_Jules)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/16 "2004-05-22T01:31:38Z")
I’d been avoiding this thread because I was going to take my kids to it this afternoon. Well, we went, and I loved it; more than the kids did, I think. It seems I picked a bad time to go get someone his Reese’s Pieces, since I missed the Shrek/Puss fight scene. I just about laughed myself into an asthma attack though. It’s good to have the mentality of a twelve year old, and still get the grown-up jokes. Ah, that’s a perfect world right there. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/17 "2004-05-22T13:44:22Z")
I hope no one here who saw it left when the end credits started rolling- a few minutes into them, a new scene starts showing Dragon coming to reconcile with Donkey…and a surprise! ---
**Author:** ![Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Krisfer\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krisfer_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/18 "2004-05-22T14:33:06Z")
OOPS! We missed the scene in the credits…well it will be a treat when we get the DVD. Three adults and one year old… I think we adults laughed harder and longer than the 8 yr old! ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/19 "2004-05-22T14:46:24Z")
> [@unwashed brain](#): > > **Eddie Murphy** as the **Ghetto Donkey** ruined the first movie for me, so I won’t be seeing the second one where he apparently becomes the **Ghetto Stallion**. > > “Look, Massa Shrek! I’s a Stallion!!!” :smack: Huh? Donkey \*never \*struck me as being “ghetto.” Just kind of geeky. ---
**Author:** ![j\_sum1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8baadc/32.png) [@j\_sum1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j_sum1)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2004, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107/20 "2004-05-22T16:33:24Z")
The curse/kiss/ogre thing in the first one – in spoiler boxes cos that’s how this line of conversation seems to be going: The curse – _“By night one way, by day another This shall be the norm Until you find true love’s first kiss Then … take love’s true form”_ It’s not about her parentage or her natural form. The point is that she takes the form of her true love. Well, that’s my take on it. I can’t wait to see the sequel. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrek-2/246107.md?page=2)