# Shriekers here - MrDibble, Der Trihs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 21, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467 "2013-11-21T19:31:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/121 "2013-11-22T17:13:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Actually, that was the point of my posting it here. You have yet to come up with any example even close to what may be called “shrieking” when it comes to those you oppose, and it’s _your_ thread? Seems like he just got frustrated in losing the “debate” in that Pit thread and somehow thought he’d be more successful continuing it in another thread. Not sure why. It’s all the same people posting about the same topic. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/122 "2013-11-22T17:17:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Seems like he just got frustrated in losing the “debate” in that Pit thread and somehow thought he’d be more successful continuing it in another thread. Not sure why. It happens a lot. I doubt it’s ever worked. > [@Marley23](#): > > [Here’s **MrDibble** ’s post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16866462#post16866462), and I see with what he and **Left Hand of Dorkness** are saying at that point. This was supposed to say “I _agree_ with what he and **Left Hand of Dorkness** are saying at that point.” ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/123 "2013-11-22T17:30:50Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > They know it is very, very insulting. It has the power of a charge of “pedophile”. Now you would think that knowing this that these people would want to err on the side of caution, and use it, as you say, for clear cases. But the truth is different. They want to use it as cavalierly as possible. To the point of making a mockery of the word. Obviously you find it insulting too, or you’d just cop to it finally. You spend an awful lot of time protesting that you’re not racist, by redefining the term, or sidestepping it, or JAQing off…clearly, you have some sort of aversion to accepting the label for yourself. Frankly, I’d have a lot more respect for a lot of people if they’d just be open about being racist. You included. C’mon, **magellan01** , it’ll feel good to just embrace it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/124 "2013-11-22T17:32:32Z")
Some of my best friends are black, so I think I’m in the clear. ---
**Author:** ![MostlyUseless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@MostlyUseless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyUseless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/125 "2013-11-22T17:45:54Z")
I, too, can agree with much of what MrDibble says at times. My point, again and again, is that broad brush that anyone who says anything remotely scientific in conjunction with races is racist. Realistically, I don’t doubt that very few make no distinction for race and certainly not in the US. At the same time, there is a very real difference between racist and having culturally ingrained thought patterns. It is an offensive term that should be reserved for what is truly racism. If someone is racist for quoting school statistics that African Americans do poorly in school, for example, compared to other races, what are you going to say regarding a grand dragon of the KKK? Is he somehow a double dog racist? Using loaded and offensive words in casual conversation is simply offensive and my problem with MrDibble is strictly that. I am aware that there are those who would defend eugenics, but at the same time, don’t be cavalier in the use of these terms. I imagine that I would find being called chomo slightly more offensive than racist perhaps, but both are terms that should be used when on point. ---
**Author:** ![MostlyUseless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@MostlyUseless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyUseless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/126 "2013-11-22T17:58:25Z")
[http://www.maec.org/Old/mdstats.html#sat](http://www.maec.org/Old/mdstats.html#sat) This link is to the State of Maryland’s education statistics by race. By MrDibble’s standard, isn’t this just the most racist of sites? Granted, the site isn’t exactly defending eugenics, but it clearly is using statistics to draw conclusions regarding education by the various races. There’s that broad brush. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/127 "2013-11-22T18:00:33Z")
Three pages in, and you still haven’t figured out what **MrDibble** was actually saying? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/128 "2013-11-22T18:06:27Z")
> [@MostlyUseless](#): > > I think his last statement makes my point. In a very specific context, yes, MrDibble may well have a point, but broadly slinging racist out over any use of the term Black in context with ANYTHING scientific is overboard. The term racist is simply too loaded to be used so trivially. I think the problem isn’t \*just \*that people are using the word “Race” too loosely - I think the problem is that they are using the word “Science” the same way. When I said “Anytime you use the word ‘race’ in a \*\*scientific \*\*context…” I wasn’t talking about vague, [unsubstantiated, undefended (and stupid)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16869325&postcount=233) [statements](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16868022&postcount=216)of nebulous “correlation” between frizzy hair and “Blackness”, I was talking about scientific papers and books like those of Rushton _et al_. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/129 "2013-11-22T18:08:59Z")
> [@MostlyUseless](#): > > [http://www.maec.org/Old/mdstats.html#sat](http://www.maec.org/Old/mdstats.html#sat) > > This link is to the State of Maryland’s education statistics by race. By MrDibble’s standard, isn’t this just the most racist of sites? “Hispanic” is a race, now? “Mexican” is a race? You really have no fucking clue what you want to say, do you? You were better off just dropping out of the thread, you poor idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/130 "2013-11-22T18:09:06Z")
> [@MostlyUseless](#): > > My point, again and again, is that broad brush that anyone who says anything remotely scientific in conjunction with races is racist. You’re doing the same thing you’re accusing him of doing. Stop it or buy me some aspirin. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/131 "2013-11-22T18:14:41Z")
I’d cut **MrDibble** , who’s probably our sole African poster, a damn wide berth on the subject as he’s responding to idiots who (for weeks/months) have been non-stop (and righteously) screeching about his genetically inferior intelligence, aggressiveness, criminality, etc (not to mention that of his family, friends, countrymen…). Also, starting a pit thread on **MrDibble** for labeling the use of racial terms (when describing prevalence of biological traits) as racist is pretty shrieky itself. Quite frankly I don’t know how **MrDibble** (an Apartheid raised/suffer, self-described “Coloured” South African), or the rest of our AfAm posters are not constantly posting shrieking vitriol right back at our asinine flagship racialists ( **Chief** , **braz** , **mag01** ), or their JAQing spearholders ( **Wesley Clark** , **Shodan** , **Fotheringay** ). I’m just going to assume that these posters are genetically predisposed to hold mountains of self-control as devised by their having non-zero biological input from ancestors who went into allopatric speciation to belong to a haplogroup that clusters a set of alleles in the (as of yet undefined) self-control gene-set which served their ancestors well in the stressful African savanna and was further breeded in by slave owners to enhance these phenotypes. Plus, it is well known that Africans never developed cities, writing, boats, technology, and such, due to their general easy-going nature. This in addition to the fact that they were always dominated, on the losing side to their betters, incapable to farm, etc which proves that this genetic evidence towards temperament is clearly cut along lines of race (while accepting that races might not exist). ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/132 "2013-11-22T18:24:03Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Some of my best friends are black, so I think I’m in the clear. Damn. I have GOT to meet some black people. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/133 "2013-11-22T18:25:53Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Quite frankly I don’t know how **MrDibble** (an Apartheid raised/suffer, self-described “Coloured” South African), or the rest of our AfAm posters are not constantly posting shrieking vitriol right back at our asinine flagship racialists ( **Chief** , **braz** , **mag01** ), or their JAQing spearholders ( **Wesley Clark** , **Shodan** , **Fotheringay** ). I’d forgotten **MrDibble** was nonwhite, but either way I couldn’t have said it better myself. This stuff is infuriating if you’re a white American with just an elementary understanding of the issue; if you’ve actually experienced this stuff it must be infuriating. ---
**Author:** ![MostlyUseless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@MostlyUseless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyUseless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/134 "2013-11-22T18:28:13Z")
Cherry picking, are we? Playing word games, too? MrDibble said anything remotely scientific. Education statistics don’t count? Anything that remotely talks science with race? Sure, they talk about Mexicans, but they also use black and that is precisely what you said was racist. You can play games that you ‘meant’ published science papers, but that is not what you said. I don’t know a whole lot about MrDibble. He can be from antarctica for all I care. My objection is to what he said and that is all. MrDibble gets a pass for statements he made because others have said really bad things? I have defended none of the things others have said. I have not read a lot of the crap that Chief Pendant may or may not have said. Regardless of how stupid or racist that poster might have been, it does not gloss over the overly broad brush that I am objecting to. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/135 "2013-11-22T18:34:54Z")
> [@MostlyUseless](#): > > Cherry picking, are we? Playing word games, too? It’s not a word game. You’re accusing him of unfairly calling people racists, and then saying that makes him a racist. It makes no sense and is itself a frivolous accusation of racism. > [@](#): > > MrDibble said anything remotely scientific. Education statistics don’t count? Anything that remotely talks science with race? If this is such a problem, come up with an example already. > [@](#): > > Sure, they talk about Mexicans, but they also use black and that is precisely what you said was racist. This is borderline incoherent. That might actually be a good strategy for you, but instead I’ll ask what you’re trying to say. What was being said about Mexicans, who was saying it, and how is it similar? ---
**Author:** ![MostlyUseless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@MostlyUseless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyUseless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/136 "2013-11-22T18:41:53Z")
What is so difficult? I am pointing to precisely one statement that I have quoted that MrDibble made. He said using science in any way in conjunction with race was racist. The State of Maryland site equates the statistics of educational performance of races in their school system. By MrDibble’s statement, that is racist. My objection is solely to that statement as being absurdly broad. I am not objecting to his use of the term perhaps when it comes to genetics, but that is not what he said. fucking idiot? Pretty lame to start name calling. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/137 "2013-11-22T18:42:27Z")
> [@MostlyUseless](#): > > MrDibble said anything remotely scientific. _Rhetoric_? In a Pit thread? What’s the world coming to! Oh, my stars and garters!! And blissfully innocent of all possible conversational context, too. > [@](#): > > You can play games that you ‘meant’ published science papers, but that is not what you said. I also said what _I_ meant by Black in that thread (hint: “African-American” isn’t it), but that seemed to have slipped right by you, so I thought I’d elaborate more… > [@](#): > > I don’t know a whole lot about MrDibble. He can be from antarctica for all I care. My objection is to what he said and that is all. MrDibble gets a pass for statements he made because others have said really bad things? I have defended none of the things others have said. I have not read a lot of the crap that Chief Pendant may or may not have said. Regardless of how stupid or racist that poster might have been, it does not gloss over the overly broad brush that I am objecting to. That’s goood: double down on the stupid! I’m \*sure \*you’ll come out of this smelling not at all like a racist-defending clueless pedant. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/138 "2013-11-22T18:45:38Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Damn. I have GOT to meet some black people. No, no. Everyone knows that “Some of my best friends are black,” is basically code for “I’m a gigantic racist.” Therefore, logically, “I don’t even know any black people,” means, “I am legitimately free of any trace of racism.” ---
**Author:** ![MostlyUseless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@MostlyUseless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyUseless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/139 "2013-11-22T18:47:22Z")
Where do you get racist defending anything? Where have I defended racism in anyway? Show me where I have agreed with those who have said racist things. I have objected to you trivializing the term racist as if it weren’t a hugely loaded term. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467/140 "2013-11-22T18:52:54Z")
> [@MostlyUseless](#): > > The State of Maryland site equates the statistics of educational performance of races in their school system. Oh, Hastur, I really have to spell it out for you: Did the State of Maryland divide their students up into purely “Black”, “Caucasian”, “Asian”? or “Black, Yellow, Brown, White, Red”? No? Then they’re not using “races” in the sense I’ve been using it, as I elaborated at length in the previous thread. They’re using the social groupings _also_ called “races”(confusingly for you, I know). \*Not \*the same thing. > [@](#): > > fucking idiot? Pretty lame to start name calling. Says the guy who pitted _me_. _Not_ that I, or anyone else, called you that before, you tedious illiterate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shriekers-here-mrdibble-der-trihs/674467.md?page=8)