# Shrub's landing on the aircraft carrier, WTF was the Secret Service thinking???? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2003, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567 "2003-05-02T04:56:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/181 "2003-05-05T18:56:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Good God, SG! How many prejudicious and malicious comments can you pack into one post? I’m referring to your asinine comments about John Wayne and others above. \*\* John Wayne: Brave and taciturn hero in Lord knows how many movies—what was he doing from 1941 to 1945? Making movies! Hero? Only on the silver screen. George W. Bush: Heroic in riding along for a carrier landing in 2003. He may have thought his duty to country required this sort of showboating. From 1965 to 1973 his sense of duty was somewhat different. I see the guy as a phony. He is going to have to do more than he has so far to change my mind. Not that he can hold a candle to William Jefferson Clinton in the phoniness category. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2003, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/182 "2003-05-05T20:36:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Payton’s Servant \* > \*\*Alright, CuntStain. > > First of all, does Carl Rochelle offer anything that could even plausibly be called evidence that air traffic was delayed because AFOne sat on the runway at LAX? > > Anything? > > FUCK NO. > > And spare me the crap about how hard it would be to find out some info. All Rochelle would need to do would be to check the control tower log at LAX, but apparently he was too busy jacking off in the bathroom on AFOne to bother to do so. > > So, once again, you have proved that you know nothing and much like Matt Drudge, you try and pass off lies as actual news stories. > > Except you just got your ass handed to you. > > You’ve got quite a ways to go before you can play with the big boys. \*\* Besides what **Brutus** and **december** have already said I will offer this. You say you are 34 years old. And still carry on like a little whiney bitch when someone disagrees with you. One might think that a first hand account from a neutral source (ie not Rush Limbaugh or Matt Drudge) might hold a little weight. I guess not. As far as having my ass handed to me, not by a long shot. You will have to come up with a little more ammo than some lame as all fucking get out Inner Mind bullshit. That is without a doubt the most pathetic piece of shit cite I’ve seen. Speaking of which…if that is your idea of playing with the big boys, then I guess a little ankle biter like you just gets to sit on the bench and pout when anybody says anything negative about Bill Clinton. You better get used to it. He’s not half the man as Hillary and when she runs for President we will get to re-live all those great Clinton memories. Ah the fun. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/183 "2003-05-05T22:29:56Z")
Spavined, you prick. You said that John Wayne thought the last thing he owed his country was serving it. Beside being a fucking jackass comment, you fucking jackass, it’s wrong. What was John Wayne doing during those years? Why, he was doing his part for the war effort. Just because what he was doing doesn’t qualify in your fucking nasty stupid jackass bigoted and absolutely mistaken similitude of a mind does not equate to it not being him doing his part. Got that, prick? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2003, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/184 "2003-05-05T22:54:10Z")
Spavined, you might think my posting above is a bit strong. That’s the way I see your comment about John Wayne. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2003, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/185 "2003-05-05T23:09:38Z")
I suppose we could both go to Cecil Adams for commentary on The Duke. [http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1\_364.html](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_364.html) [http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5\_004.html](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_004.html) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2003, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/186 "2003-05-05T23:38:43Z")
John Wayne made _The Green Berets_, the most fulsomely revolting propaganda extravaganza ever. A man does not honor his country by aiding it in an dishonorable endeavor. (Betcha GeeDubya loves that movie.) ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2003, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/187 "2003-05-05T23:55:37Z")
Ooooh gooody ! This is where I do my impression. Please, all stand back now: _Git orf ma whooorse_ I thang yew, I thang yew … ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/188 "2003-05-06T00:19:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by London\_Calling \* > \*\*Ooooh gooody ! This is where I do my impression. Please, all stand back now: > > _Git orf ma whooorse_ > I thang yew, I thang yew … \*\* Wow, not bad! You do a good impression of John Merrick doing a good impression of John Wayne. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/189 "2003-05-06T02:56:38Z")
According to this, GeeDubya held up the boat for an extra day so he could do his thang [http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking\_news/5765128.htm](http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/5765128.htm) “…The ship was slowed so Bush could spend the night on board before it docked on Friday, officials said. He watched dozens of fighters roar off the ship one last time on the way to home bases.” Home in bed with the wife/husband? Why when you can be on a boat in the water listening to jingoistic drivel? ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/190 "2003-05-06T03:03:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*Home in bed with the wife/husband? Why when you can be on a boat in the water listening to jingoistic drivel? \*\* I’ve been reading the same articles you have, elucidator, and from what _I’ve_ gathered, the troops didn’t mind at all. What part of “Bush is really popular among the military” are you having trouble parsing? ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/191 "2003-05-06T03:06:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Genius is pain. So is ignorant pretentiousness. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/192 "2003-05-06T03:06:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Genius is pain. So is ignorant pretentiousness. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/193 "2003-05-06T03:17:19Z")
Damn, now I have to cry myself to sleep _again_! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/194 "2003-05-06T04:55:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Spavined, you prick. You said that John Wayne thought the last thing he owed his country was serving it. Beside being a fucking jackass comment, you fucking jackass, it’s wrong. What was John Wayne doing during those years? Why, he was doing his part for the war effort. Just because what he was doing doesn’t qualify in your fucking nasty stupid jackass bigoted and absolutely mistaken similitude of a mind does not equate to it not being him doing his part. > > Got that, prick? \*\* Actually, the John Wayne-related paragraph in **Spavined Gelding’s** post was as follows: > [@](#): > > In the meantime we are presented with the spectacle of our President (and the Secretary of Defense for that matter) putting on a John Wayne act. All too few of us remember that The Duke never heard a shot fired in anger. _I don’t want a country run by pretend heros._ I want the guys who actually answered their country’s call and who went because they thought that active service was the least they owed their country, not the last thing they owed their country. [sub]Italics provided by kaylasdad99 Enterprises: providing the highest quality italics since 2001[/sub] Considering that he is specifically talking about people running the country, it’s likely that the remark in the final sentence was intended to refer to Bush and Rumsfeld, not Wayne. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/195 "2003-05-06T05:12:22Z")
**Monty** , I thought you were defending the President. I had no idea you were springing to the defense of John Wayne, the **actor**. It certainly is a good thing that I didn’t accuse the President _et al_ of putting on a Lash LaRue act. In the John Wayne context your comments make some sense. He was of course no Jimmy Stewart. ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/196 "2003-05-06T13:19:51Z")
Just curious, but if you were a Islamic extremeist/terrorist, and you found a genie’s lamp, and the genie appeared to grant you one special wish… …and the genie asked, " I give you one wish: Would you, Mr Terrorist, like to choose to have a republican in office in the United States or a Democrat in office? Choose wisely." ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/197 "2003-05-06T13:29:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*John Wayne made _The Green Berets_, the most fulsomely revolting propaganda extravaganza ever. A man does not honor his country by aiding it in an dishonorable endeavor. > > (Betcha GeeDubya loves that movie.) \*\* The man who was _Big Jake_ will ALWAYS have a special place in my heart. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/198 "2003-05-06T14:12:18Z")
Spavined: Cool. Now that you mention it, can you imagine how Diplomacy would turn out if all the players talked the way Jimmy Stewart did? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/199 "2003-05-06T18:01:53Z")
> [@](#): > > ObL tries to destroy the World Trade Center. Clinton does nothing. Even for you, this sort of lying is pretty low. Care to rephrase this into something that, I’m sure, will be equally dismissive, but at least factually honest? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567.md?page=9)