# Shrub's landing on the aircraft carrier, WTF was the Secret Service thinking???? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2003, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567 "2003-05-02T04:56:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/141 "2003-05-04T17:35:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Skillet38 \* > \*\*Thank you oh great one, I know it is written that my opinions don’t count until I have at least 1000 posts, and my unworthy self apologizes for voicing said opinion.:rolleyes: \*\* You misunderstand. You got extra points for insolence! I quite approve of insolence, it is akin to irreverance. As for “great one”, I would blush…yet do I detect a faint note of sarcasm? ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/142 "2003-05-04T17:48:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > **He cowered in a bunker like a scared little bitch.** And I suppose you would have gone straight out to the roof of the White House and mooned the terrorists? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/143 "2003-05-04T17:50:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*So which was it? Did he dodge the draft, or did he serve and then desert? Hard to imagine how anyone could do both, the two seemingly mutually exclusive. \*\* He dodged the draft by using family connections to get himself assigned to a rich boy division of the National Guard which was specifically contrived as a way for rich kids to avoid service in combat. GWB trained on an obsolete aircraft in order to guarantee that he would have no chance of being called to the shit. This does not count as real or meaningful service. It was a way to avoid combat, pure and simple. He then failed to appear for his final year of service making him technically a deserter, a _wartime_ deserter to be exact. Because he was a rich boy from an important political family he wasn’t charged like anyone else would have been who decided they could take a year off from military service whenever they felt like it. The fact that he was grounded at least once for refusing to take a drug test suggests to me that he probably knew he was too coked up and drunk to fly planes anymore and so decided it was better not to try. ---
**Author:** ![Skillet38](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Skillet38](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skillet38)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/144 "2003-05-04T17:51:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*You misunderstand. You got extra points for insolence! I quite approve of insolence, it is akin to irreverance. As for “great one”, I would blush…yet do I detect a faint note of sarcasm? \*\* a clarion call perhaps lol but do you approve of insolence or “newbie insolence”? - That is the question. I know I’m being patronized, I’d just like to know if it’s with pats or kicks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jonpluc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@jonpluc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jonpluc)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/145 "2003-05-04T17:54:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*Bill Clinton was never over-priveged. His salary as POTUS was the most money had ever made up to that point. \*\* Again, i think we differ on the definition of over privleged. As Governer, he had the best meals, free world travel, perks up the ying yang that dont show up on IRS forms.Admittedly it WAS only Arkansas but STILL…To argue that any politician of any real prominence isnt over priviledged is laughable. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/146 "2003-05-04T18:16:24Z")
Hey **DTC** , you missed the post about not hearing a peep out of Al-Queda during BC’s term. More selective memory? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/147 "2003-05-04T18:17:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*Bill Clinton was never over-priveged. His salary as POTUS was the most money had ever made up to that point. \*\* And good money it was…didn’t Clinton double the Presidential salary while he was POTUS?? Yeah, he did. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/148 "2003-05-04T18:24:38Z")
> [@](#): > > "He said the US was more concerned by Mr Hussein’s team of 1,000 scientists, whom he termed “nuclear mujahadeen” So now that they can’t find the WMD they are blaming Saddam Hussein for what exactly? For not killing the scientists? Or what was he supposed to do with them? This is surreal. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/149 "2003-05-04T18:42:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Now you’re just talking out of your ass. Never heard a peep from Al-Queda while BC was prez? How about the first WTC attack, the East African embassy bombings, or the bombing of the USS Cole? Saddam’s regular violations of the no-fly zones, targeting coalition forces, in violation of the cease-fire? Nice selective memory there. \*\* Of course you are correct, **milroyj** , but Bill Clinton does deserve some sort of credit for burying these issues. When the arms inspectors were pushed out of Iraq, Clinton pretended that the UN would handle the problem. He responded to al Qaeda terrorism was by pretending that the Rudman-Hart Commission would handle the problem. The media moved on to other things. From a political POV, getting these problems off the front pages was just as good as solving them. However, history will credit Bush with solving the problems that Clinton didn’t deal with. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/150 "2003-05-04T19:55:32Z")
> [@](#): > > When the arms inspectors were pushed out of Iraq, Clinton pretended that the UN would handle the problem. The inspectors were not, as you imply, pushed out of Iraq (presumably by Iraq). They were recalled by the UN because we wanted to bomb the country for a bit. After that, they were not let back IN. Not quite the same thing at all. This has been pointed out to you before, of course. > [@](#): > > Ever heard of the PT109 incident? He was no coward. Are you sure that incident is really everything it’s cracked up to be? While he may have shown heroism afterwards, there’s considerable evidence that the situation only arose because of his gross negligence to begin with in allowing the PT boat to get hit in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/151 "2003-05-04T20:30:43Z")
GeeDubya “solved” the Al Queda problem? Exactly what leads you to make this extraordinary claim? Is Osama bin Laden in custody? Dead? Perhaps you mean by the deft political stroke of removing troops from Saudi Arabia? Troops stationed there, you will of course recall, in response to a massing of Iraqi troops on the border, a massing of troops that proved to be a figment of George I’s fertile imagination. If sheer mendacity shall prove to be a potent weapon against terrorism, the Admin will indeed prevail. Failing that, one must caution against reading history before she has written. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/152 "2003-05-04T20:36:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Apos \* > \*\*there’s considerable evidence that the situation only arose because of his gross negligence to begin with in allowing the PT boat to get hit in the first place. \*\* Yeah! And if Lt. Bob Dole hadn’t been negligently standing right there in front of those Nazi machine guns, he’d be playing the grand piano and doing card tricks today! ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/153 "2003-05-04T20:37:09Z")
When was the last Al-Queda attack against the United States? There haven’t been any? Hmm. I’d say President Bush is at least marginally effective, in that regard. Happy Loyalty Day, btw. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Payton\_s\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3da27b/32.png) [@Payton\_s\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Payton_s_Servant)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/154 "2003-05-04T20:47:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duke of Rat \* > \*\*As a matter of fact, dickhead, I do. In this interview with CNN reporter Carl Rochelle (can we agree that Carl Rochelle is not Rush Limbaugh?) he says he was on AF1 during the haircut. > > Interview here: [Carl Rochelle](http://www.cnn.com/COMMUNITY/transcripts/2000/5/23/rochelle/) > > "A better anecdote from Bill Clinton: I happened to be on Air Force One for the infamous “haircut flight,” where President Clinton **held up traffic at LAX** while he was getting a haircut. > > I was very pleased to be on Air Force One that day, because **it usually meant you were going to get home early**. But **then I noticed the press plane pulled by us, take off, and head home.** > > **We all thought that there must be some major world event to keep Air Force One on the ground so Mr. Clinton could have secure communications with whomever he needed to talk to.** > > Dee Dee Myers later came back and when we asked her why the flight was delayed, **she said, “The President was getting a hair cut.”** By the time we got home, it was big news. " > > So you can call me a shmuck, defend your boy Clinton, make up revisionist history to paint his worthless ass in whatever light you please, it does not matter to me. As a matter of fact, being called a shmuck by you is actually quite a compliment, thank you very much. \*\* Alright, CuntStain. First of all, does Carl Rochelle offer anything that could even plausibly be called evidence that air traffic was delayed because AFOne sat on the runway at LAX? Anything? FUCK NO. And spare me the crap about how hard it would be to find out some info. All Rochelle would need to do would be to check the control tower log at LAX, but apparently he was too busy jacking off in the bathroom on AFOne to bother to do so. So, once again, you have proved that you know nothing and much like Matt Drudge, you try and pass off lies as actual news stories. Except you just got your ass handed to you. You’ve got quite a ways to go before you can play with the big boys. ---
**Author:** ![Psi\_Cop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c57346/32.png) [@Psi\_Cop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psi_Cop)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/155 "2003-05-04T21:11:50Z")
> [@](#): > > And good money it was…didn’t Clinton double the Presidential salary while he was POTUS?? Yeah, he did. No, he didn’t. Rather, he _did_ double the salary, but it he never saw any of the money. He signed the bill (doubling the salary from $200,000 to $400,000) on December 21, 2000, which was to take effect on January 1, 2001. Less than a month before he left office. ([cite](http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/07/16/presidential.salary/)). I think that the increase in salary is certainly justified for the most stressful job on the planet, but President Clinton didn’t get the raise. President Bush did. -Psi Cop ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/156 "2003-05-04T21:25:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Payton’s Servant \* > \*\*Alright, CuntStain. > > First of all, does Carl Rochelle offer anything that could even plausibly be called evidence that air traffic was delayed because AFOne sat on the runway at LAX? > > Anything? > > FUCK NO. > > And spare me the crap about how hard it would be to find out some info. All Rochelle would need to do would be to check the control tower log at LAX, but apparently he was too busy jacking off in the bathroom on AFOne to bother to do so. > > So, once again, you have proved that you know nothing and much like Matt Drudge, you try and pass off lies as actual news stories. > > Except you just got your ass handed to you. > > You’ve got quite a ways to go before you can play with the big boys. \*\* You really are a simple sonofabitch, aren’t you? Several cites have been provided. Your response? Fingers in ear, LALALALALALALA I can’t hear you!!! I realize that Clinton-supporters need a loose grasp on reality. A stunted intellect helps as well, it seems. But don’t try passing your fucking obstinacy and stupidity off as a ‘cite’ for a well-proven event. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/157 "2003-05-04T22:33:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daffodil5 \* > \*\*I don’t mind getting flamed, but that made no sense. Please try again. \*\* Well, OK, how about > [@](#): > > BTW, I’m delighted that our military likes him so much. That’s just what I wanted, a president who’s very popular with the military, and couldn’t care less about unemployment and other domestic issues. That always works out so well. I do hope he takes to wearing a uniform all the time, and that we can start celebrating his birthday as a national holiday soon. Ummm, genius, you DO realize that the U.S. military is here to _prevent_ this from happening. Let’s get that straight at the outset, OK? If you want to calculate how close we are to a militaristic totalitarian society, a good rule of thumb is to check what you’re doing at the minute. If it’s working on a state collective farm in which motivational speeches usually involve live ammo, then we’re living in the type of society you just described. If your lazy, over-indulged, whiney ass is seated in front of a computer typing in half-hearted descriptions of Orwellian dystopias, then take heart: You are not, in fact, living in one of those societies, and your military is still working around the clock to sure that it stays that way. Personally, **daffy** , I _like_ seeing the military happy. God knows it works harder than _I_ do, nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2003, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/158 "2003-05-04T23:01:20Z")
Well, friends, this has turned into the usual pissing match with the usual suspects kicking around the usual throw away lines reflecting discredit on just about anyone you can think of. Just one point, however. There have been way too many accusations of cowardice here. The problem isn’t cowardice (although nobody in public office has shown a whole lot of moral courage lately), the problem is a differing concept of duty. I am no fan of people who found a way to avoid active duty during the late unpleasantness in Vietnam. President Reagan’s finance guru and my brother-in-law discovered that enrolling in seminary got them a draft exemption–a matter I have never had a chance to discuss this with Mr. Stockman (Stockton?) and which I am prohibited from mentioning to the brother-in-law. Vice-president Quail, the President and the better part of the 1968 Chicago Bears found themselves slots in an over-strength National Guard after in was made known that the war in Vietnam was going to be fought by the regular army and draftees, not the Guard. President Clinton and my cousin’s husband got draft deferments by signing up for ROTC and then refusing their commission or dropping out after the draft was ended–again, I have not had a chance to talk to President Clinton and the family has forcibly pointed out that this is not an appropriate subject for table conversation at Thanksgiving dinner. All this is not indicative of a lack of physical courage, only that these people had a sense of duty that many did not share, including some 60,000 dead soldiers, sailors, aircrew and Marines, any one of whom may have filled a slot that otherwise would have belonged to a guy in the NG, or ROTC or the USMC Reserve or seminary. Some people have taken shots at Vice-president Gore because, while he went to active duty, while he served in a combat theater, he did not serve in a combat unit. This somehow is equated with a sense of duty (level of cowardice?) equal to the seminary students, the National Guard types and the guys that dropped out of ROTC or Platoon Leader’s School. Any reasonable person knows that the comparison is disingenuous. Gore went. Gore placed himself in harm’s way. Gore did what the Army told him to do. Gore was away from his people and his career for a year and more. All of those other guys slept in their own beds. Gore’s sense of duty (or sense of shame) sent him one way. All those other guys’ sense of duty told them to save their skin if there was any lawful way to do it. I don’t suppose Vice-president Gore’s daddy wanted him in Vietnam any more than George W. Bush’s daddy did. I suppose Vice-president Gore’s daddy could have found him a safe slot in the National Guard, just like Vice-president Quail’s daddy and the President’s daddy did. To Vice-president Gore’s credit he did not take the safe way out. And while we are at it, who in their right mind thinks that the armed services that went into Afghanistan and Iraq was the creation of President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld? Do you really think that superbly trained and equipped force came into existence on March 21, 2001, like Venus sprung fully grown from the forehead of Zeus? In the meantime we are presented with the spectacle of our President (and the Secretary of Defense for that matter) putting on a John Wayne act. All too few of us remember that The Duke never heard a shot fired in anger. I don’t want a country run by pretend heros. I want the guys who actually answered their country’s call and who went because they thought that active service was the least they owed their country, not the last thing they owed their country. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/159 "2003-05-05T00:00:59Z")
Firstly, **Spavined** , I agree with much of what you said in here about individual’s bravery in 'Nam. While I disagree with his politics, I admire the hell out of Gore for going over, and whatever my disagreement with him, it’s certainly not personal. As has been exhaustively documented several times, many politicians, conservative and liberal, avoided Viet Nam, and as far as I’m concerned, it’s a non-issue. While I’m no fan of Clinton, the fact he didn’t go to 'Nam doesn’t enter into it. Of course, given that, I’m not going to hold Bush’s service against him, either. _My_ problem is with those who want to take this disagreement to a new level and kick Bush for doing what he did. Whether or not you agree he should be president is irrelevant. He _is_ president, and nothing you can do or say before 2004 is going to change that. He therefore has a duty to do presidential things. Things like greet the troops, for example. Yeah, the troops. Remember the troops? Let’s talk about the troops. Over the past several months, the troops have been shot, blown up, drowned, tortured and subjected to a lot more, while _we’ve_ been sitting in this chat room, bitching about politics, crazy significant others and the economy. Even if you disagree with the Iraq war, can’t you see that these guys deserve a bit of credit? Do you really think they ALL agree with the Iraq war? Do you really think they LOVE every minute of the military even in peacetime? Like I already said, they work a hell of a lot harder than we do, and the fact that they chose this lifestyle of their own free will only speaks in their favor. I’d say they deserve to be greeted by politicians they love. When the **daffy’s** of this world say that our troops loving Bush signals the next Stalinist Regime, I feel as if I’m reading an Ann Coulter column in Bizarro World. And let me tell you something, there aren’t many people I like less than Ann Coulter. So, I feel compelled to respond. So personally, guys, I really kind of like seeing Bush pull this gutsy manuever, even if it has “politics” written all over it. It’s gutsier than anything Newt Gingrich or Bill Clinton would have done 5 years ago. And I believe it shows that he cares. If the troops love him more . . . well, it’s about time their lives were brightened up. Just my $0.02. ---
**Author:** ![Payton\_s\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3da27b/32.png) [@Payton\_s\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Payton_s_Servant)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567/160 "2003-05-05T01:02:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*You really are a simple sonofabitch, aren’t you? Several cites have been provided. Your response? Fingers in ear, LALALALALALALA I can’t hear you!!! > > I realize that Clinton-supporters need a loose grasp on reality. A stunted intellect helps as well, it seems. But don’t try passing your fucking obstinacy and stupidity off as a ‘cite’ for a well-proven event. \*\* "_Well-proven event."_ Right. All the link you provided said was that Air Force One sat on the runway, and that rumors that air traffic was disrupted or held up as a result of that **were completely unfounded and untrue.** As for **Duke of Rat** , His citing of Carl Rochelle, means nothing because Rochelle, just throws it out there without any evidence to back up his claim. But then all of you Dittoheads never needed anything like facts to throw around your lies and try and pass them off as truth, did you? Like the whole Vince Foster was murdered in Hillary’s office bit, right? CrapHat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shrubs-landing-on-the-aircraft-carrier-wtf-was-the-secret-service-thinking/172567.md?page=9)