# Shup up wiith the "shut up" already **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 7, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485 "2018-07-07T19:21:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/181 "2018-07-12T15:42:10Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > By the way, I have to admit the exchange has done absolutely nothing to diminish my regard for **LHOD** , his general posting style, his character, […] Strangely enough, this is also true for me. > [@xenophon41](#): > > The full context is very easy to follow, it’s all in one post and that post is right up there just a few posts above us. I agree with this too. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Dude, you have fun with it. No, I’m good. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/182 "2018-07-12T15:55:33Z")
FWIW **F-P** all **LHOD** posted was an observation of a high correlation of being an asshole and the use of the word “butthurt” … to the degree that he did not recall its use by a non-asshole. Of course implying that its current use in this thread fit that pattern. He did not posit that use of “butthurt” was in and of itself being an asshole. When it was pointed out that he has used the word he admitted that he was being an asshole when he used it. Does the hypothesis hold up to scrutiny? Do assholes tend to use “butthurt” much more often than other posters do? **LHOD** does not claim to be an exception to the pattern, (I’m betting most who have posted “shut up BigT/ard” use “butthurt” frequently) but exceptions would not invalidate the observation. Not gonna do a study of it myself but anecdotally it does seem to be a reasonably valid observation: posting “butthurt” does not make one an asshole but assholes tend be the ones who use it most often. It’s a marker, a co-variant. I am sure great insightful posters sometimes use it too, just infrequently. Which makes sense. When you are an asshole it is _butt all around you_ and of course you will be most concerned about the status of it. Posting from brain you have more variety to see and to be concerned about. But not sure if that makes complete sense. Sometimes we are dealing with posters whose heads are up their asses … how does that fit the metaphor? Hmmm. An interesting digression. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/183 "2018-07-12T15:59:45Z")
I think using “tard” to attack people is horrible. I have also used it (well PALATR and “retarded”) in the past. I try not to now, because I think it’s horrible and I think I was horrible for using it then. It’s possible to do something wrong and say “I should not have done that then and it’s wrong to do it now.” ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/184 "2018-07-12T16:09:51Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > There are two separate issues. > > One is whether LHOD should have made the remark he made in the prior thread. That’s the issue he deigned to address here. He said he shouldn’t have made that remark, and he said that’s “the end” of it. > > The other issue is whether he should have made the remark that he made in this thread (i.e. impugning users of that term). That’s what Crazy Canuck accused him of. CC went to some length to make the point that this was his issue, and not the use of the term in the prior thread. LHOD’s response was to deflect that post by once again focusing entirely on his use of the term in the prior thread, and declaring that to be “the end”, nothing else to discuss, thereby excluding the exact issue that CC raised. > > My link was to an instance of LHOD taking a stance against the exact sort of hypocrisy that CC pointed out here, and which he (LHOD) now feels to be unworthy of discussion. Shut up, **Fotheringay-Phipps**. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/185 "2018-07-12T16:23:02Z")
Add me to the chorus of those agreeing with the OP. I like this board a lot, but I’ve always felt that the way many people treat Big T is one of our major flaws. We’re (mostly) intelligent, responsible adults, and we can do better than that. I don’t see anything wrong with the way Big T posts. I don’t see him as being more lecture-y in tone than anyone else. I generally agree with his ideas, though he is just as susceptible to error as anyone. But even if I felt otherwise, nobody deserves bullying. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/186 "2018-07-13T04:32:04Z")
^^^ Well said, **Maggie**. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/187 "2018-07-13T21:32:47Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > FWIW **F-P** all **LHOD** posted was an observation of a high correlation of being an asshole and the use of the word “butthurt” … to the degree that he did not recall its use by a non-asshole. Of course implying that its current use in this thread fit that pattern. He did not posit that use of “butthurt” was in and of itself being an asshole. When it was pointed out that he has used the word he admitted that he was being an asshole when he used it. > > Does the hypothesis hold up to scrutiny? Do assholes tend to use “butthurt” much more often than other posters do? **LHOD** does not claim to be an exception to the pattern, (I’m betting most who have posted “shut up BigT/ard” use “butthurt” frequently) but exceptions would not invalidate the observation. Not gonna do a study of it myself but anecdotally it does seem to be a reasonably valid observation: posting “butthurt” does not make one an asshole but assholes tend be the ones who use it most often. It’s a marker, a co-variant. I am sure great insightful posters sometimes use it too, just infrequently. Quite. Certain words are used with greater frequency by certain types of people. Whining that other types of people use the word upon occasion is off point and lame. That said, I’m actually somewhat fond of the term in question and extolled its use [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17276544&postcount=55) as part of a [more general discussion of the word in GQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=720525). So while I find LHoD’s hypothesis intriguing, it remains unproven in my considered view. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/188 "2018-07-13T21:43:47Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Quite. Certain words are used with greater frequency by certain types of people. Whining that other types of people use the word upon occasion is off point and lame. That’s funny to me because people using “whining” are pretty much the same category as people who use “butthurt”. They’re basically synonyms on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/189 "2018-07-13T21:49:21Z")
I’d figure that a Venn diagram of people who use the term “whining” and variants, and people who use the term “butthurt” would show the ‘B’ circle almost entirely overlapping the much larger ‘W’ circle. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/190 "2018-07-13T22:31:45Z")
The concepts are indeed related. Whining denotes unjustified complaint. Butthurt connotes unjustified resentment. I concede that I my use of the term whining was a cheap shot. I shoulda stuck with complaining. ---
**Author:** ![ThisSpaceForRent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisspaceforrent/32/345_2.png) [@ThisSpaceForRent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisSpaceForRent)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/191 "2018-07-14T23:01:29Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I don’t place much stock in the opinions of a guy who hasn’t had a non-chemically altered week of his life in years. You aren’t morally wrong to be a stoner, you just aren’t someone whose opinion matters to me any more than the mutterings of the wetbrains at the halfway house down the street. To quote a friend… “Go lick your balls, Scumpup.” Happily a “Stoner” since before the best of you dribbled out of your mothers cunt. thisspaceforrent ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/192 "2018-07-14T23:07:37Z")
> [@ThisSpaceForRent](#): > > To quote a friend… > > “Go lick your balls, Scumpup.” > > Happily a “Stoner” since before the best of you dribbled out of your mothers cunt. > > thisspaceforrent I don’t place much value on the opinion of a person who can’t face life without an intoxicant. Go smoke up. Stoners are at their best when they are high enough to finally shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![ThisSpaceForRent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisspaceforrent/32/345_2.png) [@ThisSpaceForRent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisSpaceForRent)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/193 "2018-07-14T23:16:04Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I don’t place much value on the opinion of a person who can’t face life without an intoxicant. Go smoke up. Stoners are at their best when they are high enough to finally shut the fuck up. LOL…trolls be trolls… How is life under the bridge ?? Go lick your balls, Scumpup. ®️ ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/194 "2018-07-14T23:28:42Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I don’t place much value on the opinion of a person who can’t face life without an intoxicant. Go smoke up. Stoners are at their best when they are high enough to finally shut the fuck up. Drugs are bad, mmkay? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/195 "2018-07-15T00:58:32Z")
Y’all are welcome to sniff, snort, smoke, shoot, or shove up your ass anything that will give you the exact high/low/rush/premature death you want. I support your right to do this free of legal penalties. What you don’t have is my approval of being chemically dependant whether you are a “functioning” dependant or not. I do not value your opinion on much of anything, let alone your opinion of me, since you see the world largely through chemically altered eyes. You are not materially different from a common drunk. Oh… Guinny? You really are a stupid, toxic, socially retarded, humbacked yinzer twat. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/196 "2018-07-15T01:06:41Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > That’s hilarious. You seem like exactly the sort of thoughtful and introspective person who would read over a decade of old threads to get a feel for a place before making a free account. It’s a very plausible story. The irony burns! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/197 "2018-07-15T01:11:49Z")
So much going on in here. Just who are we mad at and why? Or is this just an all out battle royale? ---
**Author:** ![ThisSpaceForRent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisspaceforrent/32/345_2.png) [@ThisSpaceForRent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisSpaceForRent)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/198 "2018-07-15T01:40:47Z")
I rarely post in the pit so I understand if my vote does not count… But I vote “Battle Royale” tsfr ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/199 "2018-07-15T23:22:44Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The irony burns! Um, how exactly? I literally have no idea what you’re trying to say. (Literally!) ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/200 "2018-07-15T23:53:16Z")
> [@ThisSpaceForRent](#): > > I rarely post in the pit so I understand if my vote does not count… > > But I vote “Battle Royale” With cheese! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485.md?page=11)