# Shut the fuck up Kalt **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2003, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378 "2003-06-12T17:08:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![swami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@swami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swami)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/1 "2003-06-12T17:08:46Z")
This is my first pit thread so bear with me if I forget someething. I’d like to extend a big hearty “Shut the fuck up” to Kalt. [linky link-link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=190276). > [@](#): > > Israel also did the right thing today. They assassinated a member of Hamas. Any member of Hamas is open game. And frankly, all these people yelling in the streets of Gaza should be open game, too. Surely John Ashcroft and the PATRIOT Act would come to the same conclusion. (snip) > > Again, Israel should be allowed to follow our example and lock up any Muslim it wants to, indefinitely, and without due process. [Guinastasia’s thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185257&highlight=kalt) of you is bearly dead, and you seem to be rebounding already. I wonder if you have any feeling for the sufferings of others, at all. ---
**Author:** ![Gorgon\_Heap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/2 "2003-06-12T17:13:01Z")
Whoa. How the hell did I mess that thread? He really said that shit? And he hasn’t been banned? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/3 "2003-06-12T17:15:13Z")
Well, I don’t agree with him about his remedies, but he does have a good point about our double standard, in that it’s ok for us to carry out assassinations of terrorists, like we did in Yemen, and with our attempt to kill Sadaam, we criticize Israel when they do it. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/4 "2003-06-12T17:16:51Z")
**Guinastasia** and **swami** , thank you. Thank you. As the good ol’ boys down South would say, “He needed Pittin’.” ---
**Author:** ![Kalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Kalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalt)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/5 "2003-06-12T17:20:24Z")
I don’t feel any sympathy for the terrorists and their supporters in the middle east. They \*\*all \*\*support the suicide bombers, yet when israel (or america, for that matter) retaliates they complain when there is collateral damage. Don’t want collateral damage? Then don’t put your kid next to a Hamas member, and don’t pretend that you don’t know who they all are, either. Stay far away, why would a rational being place themselves in the same city block as a Hamas member? It’s asking to be blown up. ---
**Author:** ![swami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@swami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swami)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/6 "2003-06-12T17:36:38Z")
According to **tomndebb** you have been doing this for awhile: > [@](#): > > _From Guinastasia’s thread_. > Kalt has posted the same drivel on several other threads. When it is pointed out that he is deliberately misreading the Qur’an, he simply goes back to playing “no true Scotsman” games and insisting that his out-of-context, badly translated snippets are the “real” Islam and repeating his falsehoods. > > I have not figured out if he actually believes the errors in his posts, but he holds to them pretty rigorously. There is no point in attempting debate, because he will only keep circling back to a restatement of his false premises. _on preview_. Middle Easterns are terrorists (or terrorist supporters) so their deserve no rights. And blow 'em all up too. eh? Well, Kalt thanks for clearifing your postion. Now here is an extra helping of “Fuck you”. There is more where that came from, so please help yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/7 "2003-06-12T17:42:24Z")
What the hell? What do you mean by “they ALL”? Do you mean Hamas? Or all Muslims? Palestinians? Help me out here… ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/8 "2003-06-12T18:05:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*What the hell? What do you mean by “they ALL”? Do you mean Hamas? > > Or all Muslims? Palestinians? Help me out here… \*\* > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Kalt \* > \* > I don’t feel any sympathy for **the terrorists and their supporters** in the middle east. **They** all support the suicide bombers,_ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![LokiTheDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6f9a4e/32.png) [@LokiTheDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LokiTheDog)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/9 "2003-06-12T18:37:54Z")
Perhaps he’s talking about the crazed fuckers you see on the news every week. The ones that are supposedly holding a funeral service, but all the attendees are wearing masks, shooting assault rifles into the air, and have **bombs strapped to their torsos**. I’ve often wondered why the Israeli military didn’t just do a carpet bomb run at every Hamas funeral parade and kill as many of the sons of bitches as they could while they’re out in the open… instead of letting them slither across the border for suicide/homicide strikes. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/10 "2003-06-12T19:08:40Z")
**Kalt** , what you seem to be prescribing was described as “thought crime” by George Orwell. Supporting terrorism, unpalatable and awful a philosophy as it is, does not surely make someone eligible for untried death - or does it in your world? By the same token, should Israeli extremists who applaud the death of innocent Palestinians therefore also be fair game for summary execution? ---
**Author:** ![Read\_Neck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@Read\_Neck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Read_Neck)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/11 "2003-06-12T19:22:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\ ***Kalt** , what you seem to be prescribing was described as “thought crime” by George Orwell. > > Supporting terrorism, unpalatable and awful a philosophy as it is, does not surely make someone eligible for untried death - or does it in your world? By the same token, should Israeli extremists who applaud the death of innocent Palestinians therefore also be fair game for summary execution? \*\* Gotta be the biggest crock of shit ever posted. Support= Aiding and abetting by financial or active encouragement. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/12 "2003-06-12T19:32:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Read\_Neck \* > \*\*Support= Aiding and abetting by financial or active encouragement. \*\* I was using **kalt’s** definition of “support”, **Read\_Neck**. Thence lies your crock of poo. ---
**Author:** ![Read\_Neck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@Read\_Neck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Read_Neck)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/13 "2003-06-12T19:39:35Z")
Went back and read the OP three times. Have you got “whiteout” on your monitor? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/14 "2003-06-12T19:47:13Z")
No whiteout (or Tippex, as it’s known here): > [@](#): > > Israel should be allowed to follow our example and lock up any Muslim it wants to, indefinitely, and without due process. > [@](#): > > Any member of Hamas is open game. And frankly, all these people yelling in the streets of Gaza should be open game, too. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/15 "2003-06-12T19:47:29Z")
Read\_neck, do you feel it is ok to kill someone for what they think? ---
**Author:** ![cabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c67d28/32.png) [@cabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cabbit)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/16 "2003-06-12T19:50:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Read\_Neck \* > \*\*Went back and read the OP three times. Have you got “whiteout” on your monitor? \*\* "And frankly, all these people yelling in the streets of Gaza should be open game, too. Surely John Ashcroft and the PATRIOT Act would come to the same conclusion. (snip) Again, Israel should be allowed to follow our example and lock up any Muslim it wants to, indefinitely, and without due process." So if you are yelling in the streets you can be and should be killed? Further, if you are a Muslim, _any Muslim_, you can be locked up indefinitely without recourse? That is what he states. ---
**Author:** ![Optihut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/edb3f5/32.png) [@Optihut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Optihut)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/17 "2003-06-12T19:51:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Went back and read the OP three times. Have you got “whiteout” on your monitor? Perhaps you should read the OP a fourth time and explain this little passage: > [@](#): > > And frankly, all these people yelling in the streets of Gaza should be open game, too. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/18 "2003-06-12T19:53:40Z")
Got the auld message, yet, **Read\_Neck**? ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/19 "2003-06-12T19:57:26Z")
Thanks for starting this thread. I needed to set my watch. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2003, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378/20 "2003-06-12T23:03:11Z")
The _only_ part of this train wreck I have any sympathy for is the issue of people living next to terrorist workshops. This has been a standard tactic of _many_ terrorists, for a long time: they set up base right in the middle of a town or a refugee camp, so that, if the enemy strikes them, the enemy will also cause civilian casualties. By the laws of war _we_ follow, the terrorists are the ones guilty of the war crime. But by the laws of war _they_ follow, it’s the regular military that is guilty of the war crime. And when you’re so down-and-out that suicide attacks start to seem attractive, then the “involuntary martyrdom” of your neighbors will also start to make sense. Trinopus [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-kalt/181378.md?page=2)