# Shut the fuck up, Ricky Gervais. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 16, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851 "2015-04-16T18:17:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/221 "2015-04-17T18:41:09Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Fair enough. You may be right. There’s not enough information on that video or anything else I’ve seen to indicate how “real” of a hunting situation it was. > > But I’d ask you as a hunter: Consider giving other hunters the benefit of the doubt. > > It’s bad enough that there are scores of completely ignorant anti-hunters willing to condemn hunters in just about any situation by always assuming the worst. We shouldn’t pile on to other hunters without good reason. > > Maybe she’s a reality TV attention whore who isn’t a real hunter and she shot that Giraffe inside of a high fence. Maybe not. But until we have evidence of her doing something wrong we shouldn’t pass judgement. > > Everyone has their own morals when it comes to hunting. I wouldn’t shoot at a deer after hours, since that’s illegal. But if I’ve got a wounded animal and I need a second arrow to humanely kill it I won’t hesitate even if my watch says it’s 31 minutes past sunset. There’s what’s legal and then there’s the right thing to do. > > You mentioned baiting of deer. I’m inclined to agree with you about it not being ethical. Around here it’s also not legal. But baiting bears is basically the only way (other than dogs) to hunt them. I spent many days over bait stands trying for a bear and walked away empty handed. > > Up north I see plenty of people baiting deer. They put corn out in the fields and wait for them to come in. But I don’t judge this illegal behavior. You know why? There is real poverty up there. The hunting camp I use has plywood floors and is a lot nicer than many of the houses I see up there. Those people aren’t baiting in deer to get a huge trophy buck. They’re doing it so they make sure they fill all their tags so they can fill their freezer for the winter. Who am I to judge them? > > TL;DR: We need to stick together as hunters. We’ve got enough enemies without turning on each other. I have little enough in common with big-game trophy hunters that I wouldn’t use the word “we” to group us together. I have no problem with the vast majority of hunters in the US who follow state rules and regulations about when, what, and how they kill. Outside of that, I’ve got no argument people baiting and poaching to feed their families (I would have a problem with a guide baiting deer), and I’ll fully support your humanely killing a wounded animal after sunset. You guys all get the benefit of the doubt from me. Trophy hunters don’t, because trophy hunting is stupid and wasteful. We’ve figured out some ways to make it less wasteful by donating the animals, and to make it less stupid by using the proceeds from trophy kills towards (at least an attempt at) sustainably managing wildlife resources. But the fact that an animal is big and impressive is, to me, insufficient reason to kill it. She killed the giraffe in the least bad way she could have, I guess, but that’s not enough for me to give her the benefit of the doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/222 "2015-04-17T18:44:23Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Maybe she wanted to be accepted by her her male peers. She wanted to be taken seriously and not viewed as a “fake hunter” (see: fake nerd/gamer/science girl controversies) so she had to go big or go home. Like those female politicians or CEOs who have to act over the top stereotypically “tough” just to get a foot in the door. She hunts exotic game with a bow, basically saying she ain’t no scrub. So really, she’s a victim of male expectations. Still, you didn’t see Dick Cheney lying down and smiling when he shot that old man in the face. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why_Bother)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/223 "2015-04-17T19:10:38Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > So what? He’s popular and has a platform for sharing his views. We should all be so lucky. Nothing in his comments said to hunt this woman down or start doxxing her or whatever. It didn’t have to. Gervais knows what the Twitterati are like when they get their collective dander up. Know how I know? Because it happened TO him. Google “Ricky Gervais Mong Faces”. Bottom line: Gervais found himself in a shitstorm of his own making and spent weeks under a barrage of furious tweets before buckling and apologising, probably just to get everyone to shut the fuck up. He knew full well when he tweeted that photo there was a good chance Ms. Francis would get similar treatment or worse. It was an easily foreseeable consequence of what he chose to do. > [@](#): > > You just want to make this about someone we know because complaining about random idiots on the internet is less compelling than complaining about celebrities. No. I’m making this about Gervais because (a) he’s a hypocrite and (b) he started this whole shame-a-thon. That’s all. And, if it makes you feel any better, I’ve got nothing but hate for all the internet bullies doxxing and threatening Ms. Francis ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/224 "2015-04-17T19:10:50Z")
Excellent OP with which I concur wholeheartedly. Gervais has long been a sanctimonious prick, the sort of person of course for whom Twitter might have been designed, where sanctimonious prick can call to sanctimonious prick like mastodons bellowing across primeval swamps (thank you, PG Wodehouse). Good on you, mate! ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/225 "2015-04-17T19:11:42Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Still, you didn’t see Dick Cheney lying down and smiling when he shot that old man in the face. That’s because old men are not cute nor endangered and will not feed a village. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/226 "2015-04-17T21:39:11Z")
> [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](#): > > He knew full well when he tweeted that photo there was a good chance Ms. Francis would get similar treatment or worse. It was an easily foreseeable consequence of what he chose to do. She posted the photo on social media for publicity and commentary. The backlash was an easily foreseeable consequence of what she chose to do. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why_Bother)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/227 "2015-04-17T22:05:21Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > She posted the photo on social media for publicity and commentary. The backlash was an easily foreseeable consequence of what she chose to do. So, what you’re saying is…she was asking for it? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/228 "2015-04-17T22:21:55Z")
> [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](#): > > So, what you’re saying is…she was asking for it? No, I’m saying that blaming Gervais is ridiculous. He didn’t cause the doxxing any more than the hunter did by posting the picture in the first place. The blame is on the people acting badly, not the people playing the publicity and advocacy game. If Gervais had posted any personal information, or put cross hairs on the photo, or said \*anything \* that could be seen as provoking dangerous action then I’d be all with you. But I don’t see that here. She put the picture out there for her own benefit and she is fair game for criticism via Twitter. Unless there are extenuating circumstances I don’t believe it’s fair to squelch legitimate criticism because some anonymous idiots act like idiots. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/229 "2015-04-18T00:29:45Z")
I’m down with hunting. BTDT, I’ve dismantled deer. but I do it for the meat. I dislike “trophy hunting” and “canned” hunts. I’m kind of on Gervais’s side here. If I’m to kill an animal, it’s for a better reason than “because I could.” ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/230 "2015-04-18T00:57:39Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > I’m down with hunting. BTDT, I’ve dismantled deer. but I do it for the meat. I dislike “trophy hunting” and “canned” hunts. I’m kind of on Gervais’s side here. If I’m to kill an animal, it’s for a better reason than “because I could.” Is “because I think meat is tasty” really all that much better than “because I think hunting is exciting”? Neither hunting for meat nor hunting for trophies is necessary; both are things that modern middle-class humans do for pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/231 "2015-04-18T01:05:53Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Is “because I think meat is tasty” really all that much better than “because I think hunting is exciting”? Neither hunting for meat nor hunting for trophies is necessary; both are things that modern middle-class humans do for pleasure. are you vegetarian/vegan? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/232 "2015-04-18T02:29:01Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > are you vegetarian/vegan? > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’ve got a mouthful of beefy enchilada right now …yes. Yes, I am. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/233 "2015-04-18T02:35:30Z")
bleh ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/234 "2015-04-18T03:17:03Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > bleh Perhaps you thought it was a euphemism :). Seriously, while I eat meat, I’m not sanguine about it. I’m not at all convinced it’s an ethical thing that I do, eating meat; and I’m fairly convinced it’s no more ethical than trophy hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/235 "2015-04-18T03:25:45Z")
So there was some discussion up above about whether it would be okay if a veterinarian relished killing animals, or something like that? [Funny you should mention it…](http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Texas-Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-With-Bow-And-Arrow-300303921.html) > [@the article](#): > > Dr. Kristen Lindsey, DVM, posted a picture on her Facebook page of her holding an arrow that is sticking through the head of a dead cat. > > The post reads “My first bow kill, lol. The only good feral tomcat is one with an arrow through it’s head! Vet of the year award … Gladly accepted." The rest of the brief story is well worth reading for some real “holy cow why would she think this was a good idea” moments from further posts on her facebook wall. ETA: There is a (completely non gory non graphic) depiction of a dead cat in the article. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/236 "2015-04-18T03:27:44Z")
BTW this is apparently immediately breaking news, so I’m still open to the possibility that it was a fake photo prank gone horribly awry. (Why’s there no blood in the picture? But then, maybe there wouldn’t really be that much, or any at all, I have no idea because I’ve never seen a cat get shot in the head with an arrow before.) Just mentioning that in case there’s been a whoosh of some kind. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/237 "2015-04-18T03:30:48Z")
Sorry, one more: Haha oh no (I shouldn’t laugh, why am I laughing?) it turns out the poor thing wasn’t “feral,” it had a name (Tiger) and belonged to someone! [http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-with-Bow-and-Arrow--300293461.html](http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-with-Bow-and-Arrow--300293461.html) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/238 "2015-04-18T03:46:37Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Sorry, one more: > > Haha oh no (I shouldn’t laugh, why am I laughing?) it turns out the poor thing wasn’t “feral,” it had a name (Tiger) and belonged to someone! [http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-with-Bow-and-Arrow--300293461.html](http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-with-Bow-and-Arrow--300293461.html) It’s okay, because she fed the local natives with the meat, and Bricker says that she was probably the only one who could get permitted in that jurisdiction. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/239 "2015-04-18T04:39:56Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Yes. Through a pen of live baby chicks, while she herself makes duckface. Saw it on YouTube. Link and my weekend is done! ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851/240 "2015-04-18T04:40:49Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > So there was some discussion up above about whether it would be okay if a veterinarian relished killing animals, or something like that? > > [Funny you should mention it…](http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Texas-Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-With-Bow-And-Arrow-300303921.html) > > The rest of the brief story is well worth reading for some real “holy cow why would she think this was a good idea” moments from further posts on her facebook wall. > > ETA: There is a (completely non gory non graphic) depiction of a dead cat in the article. :eek: Damn, I hate it when my hypotheticals become reality. On a lighter note: [Ricky Gervais Kills a Bowl of Tofu and Rice](https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/comp_ricky.jpg?quality=80&w=930&h=608&crop=1#038;strip=all&w=1024&h=670) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-the-fuck-up-ricky-gervais/717851.md?page=13)