# Shut up and read, octopus, and you might learn something **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138 "2016-10-10T08:51:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/81 "2016-10-11T16:21:58Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Are you saying that some people have a mother, a wife, a daughter AND a girlfriend? I only have a girlfriend. Sure you do, **Drunky**. Sure you do. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/82 "2016-10-11T16:28:40Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Whenever I’m in a locker room I’m trying to get out as quick as possible so I don’t have to watch old men drying their balls. Where are these locker rooms filled with in depth conversations? Never one I’ve been in. Hell, even in the Army guys didn’t joke about assaulting women. And there was some shit said in there I would not repeat to anyone ever. Chris Kluwe, the rather outspoken formar NFL kicker, commented that he’d never heard anything like this is a locker room, _and one of his teammates was actually a serial rapist._ ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/83 "2016-10-11T16:50:21Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Yeah, even THAT was Stern pushing the edge of crass – It should have gone: > HS “Can I say a piece of ass?” > DT “You’re asking that of a girl’s FATHER, to his face? Come on, Howard!” Better answer than mine. _\_ ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/84 "2016-10-11T17:29:34Z")
Trump’s main in retest in his daughters has always been how hot they are. Remember when Tiffany was about a year old, his hope for her—expressed in a TV interview—was that she would grow up to have big tits. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/85 "2016-10-11T19:27:08Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Sure you do, **Drunky**. Sure you do. She’s Canadian. You wouldn’t know her. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/86 "2016-10-11T19:35:25Z")
wow. First rule of holes, but with 8 arms with shovels. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/87 "2016-10-11T20:19:25Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > …except all the men who cheer on the 12 year old boys who have sex with their female teachers? Indeed. As said, we have a culture of encouraging boys to go out and screw every woman out there. There isn’t an equivalent on the female side. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/88 "2016-10-11T20:31:04Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I don’t accept responsibility for other people’s stupidity and rudeness. They have the choice not to be jerks no matter how tempting the opportunity. > > **Anyway, I wanted women to be able to verbally knee anyone in the balls who DID make stupid remarks and not have to be “nice” about it. But the first reply said I’d get more traffic if the thread were moved, so that’s when I requested a mod to move it.** I couldn’t say what I wanted to in that thread so I’ll say it here: “Nice guy” AK47 can go to HELL. What an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/89 "2016-10-11T20:55:45Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > I couldn’t say what I wanted to in that thread so I’ll say it here: “Nice guy” AK47 can go to HELL. What an asshole. This thread is a helpful companion to the other one, right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/90 "2016-10-11T21:00:30Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This thread is a helpful companion to the other one, right? 😉 And would never have existed without a random tip toeing video being linked. I wonder how many on the straight dope are the humorless misanthropes they portray themselves as. Plus what’s wrong with AK47 being nice? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/91 "2016-10-11T21:03:05Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And would never have existed without a random tip toeing video being linked. I wonder how many on the straight dope are the humorless misanthropes they portray themselves as. > > Plus what’s wrong with AK47 being nice? Yeah, life is just a random tiptoe through the tulips. Personally, I’m a barrel of laughs IRL. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/92 "2016-10-11T22:51:52Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And would never have existed without a random tip toeing video being linked. I wonder how many on the straight dope are the humorless misanthropes they portray themselves as. > > Plus what’s wrong with AK47 being nice? Nothing, if he were actually nice. His reply to a comment a woman made about not smiling at men anymore because some get the wrong impression and take it as an invitation to be jerks: > [@](#): > > Well, going by what you wrote if you act like a rude, prickly bitch then don’t be surprised of you get treated like one. If you are going to be boorish and hostile, you are going to get it back with interest. If you are going to treat everyone as a potential rapist or molester regardless of how they actually behave or act, then yeah guys will at annoyed at you. Except, the actual genital grabbers, and the actual molesters, they deserve everything and more. Not the guy who acts like a decent human being and gets trampled on for his troubles. Not smiling is not being a “rude, prickly bitch” or “boorish and hostile”. The decent guys I know get that. If he takes it as such and gives it back “with interest”, he’s part of the problem. And it’s AK84, not 47. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/93 "2016-10-12T00:52:13Z")
FWIW, as a participant in that thread, I was not offended by **octopus** ’ joke, and I’m not just saying that because he’s an octopus. I think it’s fair to say he views child molestation as a more egregious crime than sexual assault of adult women, which is debatable, but nothing he said in that thread suggested he didn’t have empathy for the victims. I was more offended by **Leaffan** ’s attempt to downplay the pervasive problem of violence against women. I think I expressed my issue with that effectively within the thread itself. Yes, this board is terribly misogynistic. I actually have regular arguments with my husband about how it’s not as misogynistic as he thinks it is. It’s a small minority of posters making the comments, but they are given the illusion of complicity with the silence of others. His argument is that it is the silence which creates the culture. I agree it would be ideal if we could just become completely emotionally removed from the misogyny and have academic conversations rather than becoming upset, but some of us have PTSD and there are times we just need to step back for the sake of our own mental health. I only post here when I am 100% sure I can psychologically handle it, and it was years of struggling to be ‘‘open minded’’ at the expense of emotional exhaustion that got me to that principle. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/94 "2016-10-12T01:17:34Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Hold on a minute here. > > Are you saying that some people have a mother, a wife, a daughter AND a girlfriend? I only have a girlfriend. Who the hell are these lucky bewomened people? Politicians. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/95 "2016-10-12T01:33:28Z")
Now, now…I’m finding common ground with Donald Trump–I mean Ivanka is a hot piece of ass and I’d like to “grab her pussy!” Probably like he would! That’s OK with you, Donald? Right? [Now I duck and run for cover!] ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/96 "2016-10-12T03:40:46Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Now, now…I’m finding common ground with Donald Trump–I mean Ivanka is a hot piece of ass and I’d like to “grab her pussy!” Probably like he would! > > That’s OK with you, Donald? Right? > > [Now I duck and run for cover!] Again with the quotes that aren’t what you think they are. But hey, that’s cool - make them up to make him look like the bogeyman you think he is. What’s frightening is the amount of people here who not only believe the trash you said but add to it. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/97 "2016-10-12T03:53:03Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Again with the quotes that aren’t what you think they are. But hey, that’s cool - make them up to make him look like the bogeyman you think he is. > > What’s frightening is the amount of people here who not only believe the trash you said but add to it. Kellyanne, is that you?! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/98 "2016-10-12T04:11:32Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Again with the quotes that aren’t what you think they are. But hey, that’s cool - make them up to make him look like the bogeyman you think he is. Silly me, I was under the mistaken impression actually said [both](http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-calls-daughter-piece-9009992) [things](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKB92ohXn20), and that this sort of satirical rearrangement thereof was both somehow apt, reasonable, and quite funny. Then again, I’m not vouching for the single worst candidate in the last 100 years, and since this is the pit, _what the fucking hell is wrong with you, you disturbing waste of brain cells_? ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/99 "2016-10-12T04:17:54Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Silly me, I was under the mistaken impression actually said [both](http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-calls-daughter-piece-9009992) [things](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKB92ohXn20), and that this sort of satirical rearrangement thereof was both somehow apt, reasonable, and quite funny. > > Then again, I’m not vouching for the single worst candidate in the last 100 years, and since this is the pit, _what the fucking hell is wrong with you, you disturbing waste of brain cells_? Hewey’s posting history may solve that mystery for you; if they’re still posting here after [Taco Tuesday](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrXSQVYUAAE72r6.jpg) about anything but how poorly Trump’s been treated I will eat my hat in place of a turkey at Thanksgiving. My question is whether they’re a volunteer or if they’re getting a paycheck out of this astroturfing effort. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138/100 "2016-10-12T04:21:07Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Silly me, I was under the mistaken impression actually said [both](http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-calls-daughter-piece-9009992) [things](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKB92ohXn20), and that this sort of satirical rearrangement thereof was both somehow apt, reasonable, and quite funny. Silly me. I thought a person could recognize two different statements as being two different statements, not that they could be cut and pasted to make whatever point you want to make. You really have to resort to that to make your point? Sad. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > _what the fucking hell is wrong with you, you disturbing waste of brain cells_? Nothing, outside of me voting against your wishes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-and-read-octopus-and-you-might-learn-something/768138.md?page=6)