# Shut Up BigTard!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 15, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185 "2016-01-15T02:12:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/121 "2016-08-15T01:44:38Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > And make sure you keep your hand where she can see it… But I’m busy fondling my pocket change… (I thought I was just counting my nickels, but after reading up on **ZPG** ’s posts, I now see that if I’m not asking permission of Thomas Jefferson AND the buffalo, I’m getting a little _too_ friendly with them…) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/122 "2016-08-15T02:19:24Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > No, he didn’t. But he was assuming facts not in evidence. And you know what happens when you [assume](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svkgOsr7pUc&app=desktop). 😃 [Do I?](https://xkcd.com/1339/) ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/123 "2016-08-15T03:00:16Z")
I can see where BigT’s critics are coming from, but honestly I think they are over-reacting to the point of being mean on occasion. BigT, in contrast, is currently being pitted for what I perceive is politeness towards ZPG. I think cochrane’s post is a misfire at best. Don’t get me wrong. Too much tolerance can enable problematic behavior. But it’s not like ZPG lacks criticism on this board. So yeah, weak tea on cochrane’s part. > [@cochrane](#): > > As I pointed out in the other thread, how does BigTard know the drive organizers know that ZPG Zealot is Roma or that they would be prejudiced against her if they did? Come on, that’s a pretty big stretch, even for Reed Richards. 1. Traditional dress. 2. It wouldn’t surprise me if ZPG wears her Roma on her sleeve. 3. Roma can appear like other ethnic groups that also can be recipients of ethnic prejudice. 4. Hell, I don’t even know what country ZPG resides in, but that’s on me. In some countries though anti-Roma prejudice can be a pretty big deal. 5. _BigT was being polite_, which can involve extensive benefit of the doubt. Sheesh, you can dress cochrane up, but he keeps squirming in the living room. Sit still cochrane! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/124 "2016-08-15T03:32:37Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I keep trying to post in this thread and my posts keep being eaten. You’d think I’d learn my lesson, but no. > > This specific cited instance is weak tea. Just because **ZPG Zealot** is one of the Dope’s favorite punching bags doesn’t mean being nice to her in any context is condescending. > > That said, the thing with **BigT** is he seems to have a penchant for needling the exact wrong people at the exact wrong time. He’s done it to me at least twice and there is an overwhelming feeling of ‘‘lay the fuck off.’’ It’s not in the intent but the execution. And when I read this thread, **BigT** straight-up implied he changed the board culture when he joined, which is false and discounts many civil and respectful posters who have existed here forever and who manage to facilitate civility and respect without routinely pissing people off. > > As for **JohnClay** , I’m pissed he got banned for being mentally ill. I don’t agree with **BigT** ’s blanket defense of protecting him from the consequences of his own behavior, but that doesn’t make me any less compassionate toward **JohnClay**. On the contrary, I think his banning is further evidence that mentally ill people are routinely excluded from society because they make people uncomfortable and rubber-stamped with the bullshit, ‘‘We are concerned for his well-being’’ justification. I’m not going to condescend to someone who has mental issues knowing, based on his previous posts, that we are just about the only access he had to a community of reasonably rational, informed people. How the else is he going to know what is and is not socially appropriate behavior without consistent feedback? It’s kind of bullshit to imply **JohnClay** is somehow incapable of defending himself because he’s mentally ill. We could have helped him to become stronger, and I would argue that we had. Totally agree about John Clay ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/125 "2016-08-15T03:42:05Z")
I was told this was the **BigT** pit thread. I seem to have wandered into the **BigT** love thread by mistake. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/126 "2016-08-15T03:46:37Z")
Maybe we need a “Shut up, Big Tard Critiquer!” meme… ---
**Author:** ![elninost0rm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ed655f/32.png) [@elninost0rm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elninost0rm)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/127 "2016-08-15T13:28:57Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Nobody said you had to stop posting. Just stop lecturing people all the time. It’s possible to criticize others without coming across like you’re wagging your finger at them and telling them they’re bad little boys and girls who need a time out. Me too! ---
**Author:** ![Whiskey\_Dickens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9fc348/32.png) [@Whiskey\_Dickens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whiskey_Dickens)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/128 "2016-08-15T20:02:32Z")
Hey, that guy likes explaining things on a message board! Let’s call him Tard and follow him around, throwing things at him! The BigT hate is what happens when someone is rubbed the wrong way and manages to convince a group of insecure people to follow along for little or no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Whiskey\_Dickens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9fc348/32.png) [@Whiskey\_Dickens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whiskey_Dickens)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/129 "2016-08-15T21:04:40Z")
> [@elninost0rm](#): > > Me too! Bahaha! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/130 "2016-08-15T21:27:38Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > Whoa, there! If this is supposed to be the “Lecture Series 2016”, why are all the quotes from 2008? And, for that matter, why all from August? It’s a retrospective. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185/131 "2016-08-15T22:07:25Z")
I don’t really have a problem with Big T. My eyes start to glaze over when I start reading his posts so I just skip to the next one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-bigtard/743185.md?page=6)