# Shut up, Sigourney, you're embarassing yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001 "2010-04-14T00:45:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gladtobeblazed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@gladtobeblazed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gladtobeblazed)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/21 "2010-04-14T06:23:43Z")
The Academy Award for Best Picture should go to the best film of the year. Who gives a fuck how big the production was or how many people saw it. That’s why either _The White Ribbon_ or _Antichrist_ should have won. Same for Best Director, Michael Haneke deserved it over Bigelow or Cameron. ---
**Author:** ![Palmer\_Eldritch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecae2f/32.png) [@Palmer\_Eldritch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palmer_Eldritch)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/22 "2010-04-14T07:35:13Z")
Get away from her you bitch! This is basically true, though: “In the past, Avatar would have won because they loved to hand out awards to big productions, like Ben-Hur. Today it’s fashionable to give the Oscar to a small movie that nobody saw.” ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/23 "2010-04-14T10:46:00Z")
I don’t think she is whining about how tough James Cameron’s life is. Just that the Oscar decision was obviously biased towards a film that wasn’t as good (or to put it better, not _as_ sucky). The motivations behind that bias are unknown to me, so I can only speculate - perhaps it _was_ ‘lady parts’. Perhaps it was just interest from the (mainly American) voters in a current ongoing conflict. Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/24 "2010-04-14T15:17:29Z")
I’ve found that Oscar Awards are a pretty good indicator on how good a movie is likely to be. The more awards the worse the movie. For instance, I had the great misfortune to watch a piece of shit, idiot fucking piss shit movie called Atonement the other day, and true enough, after having wasted that hour and a half, I find that it has won an award. I wish they’d advertise it more clearly, so people can know what to stay the fuck away from. Avatar wasn’t that great, but I’m confident that it is many times better that whatever shitty movie won the award as the best movie. and in any case, Sigourney used to be hot in Alien, so she gets a pass. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/25 "2010-04-14T15:58:59Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > How about you take your own advice for once? Never! That kind of needless hostility makes me laugh. I’m seriously here cracking up. Shit is hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/26 "2010-04-14T16:05:39Z")
I got curious so I went back and compared box office returns and academy awards. Here are the movies that were both the top selling movie of the year and the Oscar winner for best picture. 2003: The Return of the King 1997: Titanic 1994: Forrest Gump 1988: Rain Man 1979: Kramer vs. Kramer 1976: Rocky 1972: The Godfather 1965: The Sound of Music 1959: Ben-Hur 1957: The Bridge on the River Kwai 1952: The Greatest Show on Earth 1944: Going My Way 1939: Gone with the Wind 1938: You Can’t Take It With You 1934: It Happened One Night 1929: The Broadway Melody Of the 82 movies that won the Oscar, only 16 were also the top seller for that year. So it doesn’t seem like an automatic win. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/27 "2010-04-14T16:15:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Ah, give ol’ Ivn a break. It must be absolutely maddening to have to get down off the cross so much in order to come in here and say the same goddamn thing all the time. > > But that’s how he shows us that he cares. Just like a drunk spouse, he only keeps hitting us because we make him, you see. Is Ivn (Ivan?) somebody I should know? I guess he’s a big _Avatar_ fan or something? I saw the movie fairly late so I didn’t follow the earlier threads on it. He seems pretty worked up about it but I was just letting it slide. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/28 "2010-04-14T16:36:54Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I got curious so I went back and compared box office returns and academy awards. Here are the movies that were both the top selling movie of the year and the Oscar winner for best picture. > > 2003: The Return of the King > 1997: Titanic > 1994: Forrest Gump > 1988: Rain Man > 1979: Kramer vs. Kramer > 1976: Rocky > 1972: The Godfather > 1965: The Sound of Music > 1959: Ben-Hur > 1957: The Bridge on the River Kwai > 1952: The Greatest Show on Earth > 1944: Going My Way > 1939: Gone with the Wind > 1938: You Can’t Take It With You > 1934: It Happened One Night > 1929: The Broadway Melody > > Of the 82 movies that won the Oscar, only 16 were also the top seller for that year. So it doesn’t seem like an automatic win. You’ll notice one other thing–no Science Fiction films on that list (and _LOTR_ was the first fantasy film to ever win the Big Prize). So _Avatar_ joins _Star Wars, E.T., Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jurassic Park_, etc. as being a huge blockbuster but only taking home a few “technical”/craft awards. Sigourney’s comparison is dumb-dumb-dumb. I’m willing to bet that if _The Ice Storm_ (a film “nobody saw”) managed to beat _Titanic_ back in 1997, she wouldn’t have been bitching about it. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/29 "2010-04-14T16:38:39Z")
Hey, it’s the Academy Awards. A gigantic wankfest, wherein accolades are given by actors to themselves as if they had meaning or value. It’s nothing but glitter and advertising. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/30 "2010-04-14T16:43:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Is Ivn (Ivan?) somebody I should know? I guess he’s a big _Avatar_ fan or something? I saw the movie fairly late so I didn’t follow the earlier threads on it. He seems pretty worked up about it but I was just letting it slide. Ivn is the Pit Cop. He polices the pit threads, telling the OPs he thinks unworthy just how much they suck. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/31 "2010-04-14T17:12:01Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Ivn is the Pit Cop. He polices the pit threads, telling the OPs he thinks unworthy just how much they suck. Oh, don’t worry, I’m saving a little something special just for you. Actually, it’s not just for you, because I honestly won’t remember your tag for more than… however long it took me to type that first bit. (And looking up to check, your name pretty much looks like pedophile. I’m saying it in the british fashion - peeeeeed-o-file. Anyway, I’m sure you have a catchy story about how you write children’s books and touch young children every day through your work, but I don’t care about it, so please don’t share your internet-name-origin-story like you’re some kind of masked superhero) But I can tell by your post that you’re pretty non-creative, think you’re smarter than you are, and base your self-esteem on fitting in with a group of internet nerds. All I ask is that people step up and be interesting. It’s not that difficult. Two thirds of these threads are like listening to two kids arguing on the school bus: “Butthole!” “I’m rubber and your glue!” “faggot!” “no, ur a faggot!”. And that’s on a good day; when people like you get involved we have to move to the shorter bus and the conversation goes more like “hhrrrnrnnnnrr” “llllllhlhlhlhhlhlgg” **tard rage**. Except that tard rage is kind of impressive (Where do they get that level of strength? I once saw an enraged tard rip a tire in half, while it was still attached to a semi), where as internet tard rage is pretty much just saying what you normally would with extra profanity: I _fucking_ dislike the _cumguzzling_ oscar _bullshit_ awards _jizz_, because they _asshole donkey cock_ don’t make _avast ye matey_ sense. Except when it’s about the guy who told you that you suck at parking your redneckmobile – that was awesome tard rage. But this isn’t that. Anyway, put some fucking effort in. You’re just sitting here copying off the kid next to you on the “What I did this summer” essay, thinking the teacher won’t notice that both you and little Bobby got molested by your creepy uncle Ted. Have a little goddamn pride in your work. No one remembers the peanut gallery; those people in the “Dog Pound” might have been barking on TV, but it’s not as if they are revered as television pioneers. They were just some idiots in a studio audience. Don’t be those guys. They probably work in construction or bounty hunting or massage parlors. Though I guess those all take more creativity than your post. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/32 "2010-04-14T17:19:54Z")
> [@Cat\_Fight](#): > > What a boob. I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/33 "2010-04-14T17:22:06Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Hey, it’s the Academy Awards. A gigantic wankfest, wherein accolades are given by actors to themselves as if they had meaning or value. It’s nothing but glitter and advertising. Whoa, I agree with you. Is the room spinning or is it just me? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/34 "2010-04-14T17:33:17Z")
It could be that _Avatar_ wasn’t that good. I saw it, it was good, but it never seemed to me to be deserving a Best Picture. I have not seen _Hurt Locker_ so I haveno comment on that, but I certainly thought _Inglorious Basterds_ was superior to _Acatar_. I mean McDonald’s sells more burgers than anyone but it ahardly makes it the best on the planet. A more appropriate whine in my book would be the _Up_ won because it is Pixar and folks automatically vote for Pixar even though there were several better animated movies (_Fantastic Mr. Fox_ annd _Coraline_ for example). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/35 "2010-04-14T17:37:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Ivn is the Pit Cop. He polices the pit threads, telling the OPs he thinks unworthy just how much they suck. Okay. I haven’t run into him before apparently. I was a little surprised on how upset he appeared to get but no big deal. Then other people seemed to recognize him so I thought maybe he was a regular poster in previous Avatar threads or something. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/36 "2010-04-14T17:55:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Okay. I haven’t run into him before apparently. I was a little surprised on how upset he appeared to get but no big deal. Then other people seemed to recognize him so I thought maybe he was a regular poster in previous Avatar threads or something. I haven’t even seen it, but I heard it has dicktails. Anyway, your OP wasn’t even pit material. I was going to report it to be moved back to cafe society, but, you know, scotch and internet porn happened, etc. In the future, please remember that the pit is not for serious discussion of some actress’s moral failings. It is for being a dickhole. An entertaining dickhole. Try some profanity first, then see where it takes you. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/37 "2010-04-14T18:18:49Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Oh, don’t worry, I’m saving a little something special just for you. Actually, it’s not just for you, because I honestly won’t remember your tag for more than… however long it took me to type that first bit. (And looking up to check, your name pretty much looks like pedophile. I’m saying it in the british fashion - peeeeeed-o-file. Anyway, I’m sure you have a catchy story about how you write children’s books and touch young children every day through your work, but I don’t care about it, so please don’t share your internet-name-origin-story like you’re some kind of masked superhero) > > But I can tell by your post that you’re pretty non-creative, think you’re smarter than you are, and base your self-esteem on fitting in with a group of internet nerds. > > All I ask is that people step up and be interesting. It’s not that difficult. Two thirds of these threads are like listening to two kids arguing on the school bus: “Butthole!” “I’m rubber and your glue!” “faggot!” “no, ur a faggot!”. And that’s on a good day; when people like you get involved we have to move to the shorter bus and the conversation goes more like “hhrrrnrnnnnrr” “llllllhlhlhlhhlhlgg” **tard rage**. Except that tard rage is kind of impressive (Where do they get that level of strength? I once saw an enraged tard rip a tire in half, while it was still attached to a semi), where as internet tard rage is pretty much just saying what you normally would with extra profanity: > > I _fucking_ dislike the _cumguzzling_ oscar _bullshit_ awards _jizz_, because they _asshole donkey cock_ don’t make _avast ye matey_ sense. > > Except when it’s about the guy who told you that you suck at parking your redneckmobile – that was awesome tard rage. But this isn’t that. > > Anyway, put some fucking effort in. You’re just sitting here copying off the kid next to you on the “What I did this summer” essay, thinking the teacher won’t notice that both you and little Bobby got molested by your creepy uncle Ted. Have a little goddamn pride in your work. No one remembers the peanut gallery; those people in the “Dog Pound” might have been barking on TV, but it’s not as if they are revered as television pioneers. They were just some idiots in a studio audience. Don’t be those guys. They probably work in construction or bounty hunting or massage parlors. Though I guess those all take more creativity than your post. You, sir or madam, are the [Edna Mode](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLDWhn8HZfY&feature=related)of the Pit (link to 35-second Youtube clip)…you don’t care about the point of view being expressed - but they better express it with style, dahling…;)😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/38 "2010-04-14T18:35:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Anyway, your OP wasn’t even pit material. I was going to report it to be moved back to cafe society, but, you know, scotch and internet porn happened, etc. In the future, please remember that the pit is not for serious discussion of some actress’s moral failings. It is for being a dickhole. An entertaining dickhole. Try some profanity first, then see where it takes you. Ivan, the use of profanity impressed me back when I was twelve. And stopped impressing me by the time I was sixteen. From this, I’m guessing you’re a high schooler whose mom doesn’t monitor his internet use enough. Seriously, you should stop acting like a fool before you convince people it’s not an act. Anyone can say fuck. It takes an effort to say something insightful. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/39 "2010-04-14T18:45:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Anyone can say fuck. It takes an effort to say something insightful. But let’s be honest–you did neither (and I agree with you about the pitting). It’s easy to put down profanity, but if you’re going to abstain, then add some sort of life or color. “Um, can I have some yogurt–plain, with an extra helping of bland?” ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/40 "2010-04-14T19:14:34Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Ivan, the use of profanity impressed me back when I was twelve. And stopped impressing me by the time I was sixteen. From this, I’m guessing you’re a high schooler whose mom doesn’t monitor his internet use enough. > > Seriously, you should stop acting like a fool before you convince people it’s not an act. Anyone can say fuck. It takes an effort to say something insightful. I don’t think you’re getting this. Did you want to have an insightful discussion about awards for movies, backed up with cites and statistics? You’re in the wrong place for that, son. But now that you’re breaking out the insults, let me give you a few pro-tips for your apparent first “outing” as it were. First, the cracks about being a high schooler/living in parents basement/being a virgin at an advanced age? Not funny. Done to death. It _screams_ “inexperience”. First of all, they are almost never true, and second of all, here you are, arguing with said high schooler on the internet, and coming off as less interesting than the kid. Just avoid these insults altogether, or at least cloak them in a bit of patter. Second, playing up the “mature adult” angle can work for you, but you need to make some major tweaks. When you’re using that technique, you need to concentrate on your verbal venom – you’re the old guy, tapping out your pipe, quirking that one eyebrow _juuuuuussssttt_ right, and performing a perfectly timed pause before delivering the knockout punch, as it were. You have to have the wit, the verve, the sheer killing instinct to pull this off. Otherwise, you sound more like a middle-aged prude with a stick up his ass trying really hard to not be like those rowdy kids that used to beat him up, talk during movies, and screw the girls he liked who didn’t even realize he had a penis. See where we’re going with this? You don’t want to be the sort of crusty librarian guy wearing the 50 years out-of-fashion suit grumbling about the kids these days. You want to be the the flamboyant homosexual giving the shoulder move, palm out, saying “See you next Tuesday, honey! Oh SNAP!”. Third, I’m not saying that it’s interesting just to say fuck. I mean, it’s the placement that really fucking matters. But you’re supposed to be outraged, man! Get some anger on! Show us you _care_ about Sigourney’s bullshit! Grrrr! This isn’t the goddamned Age of Sail, you don’t get to demand satisfaction and call her a churl (though admittedly, that might be better than your efforts so far). Profanity is one way to display this passion. Some overuse, true. But claiming you’re “over it”? Nope. Makes you sound like a dweebish bore. So, in review, you need to work on your posting, but I see the barest glimmer of potential. It will take dedication and time; a whole lotta precious time, to do it. But I’m pulling for you. Make me proud, bitch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001.md?page=3)