# Shut up, Sigourney, you're embarassing yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 14, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001 "2010-04-14T00:45:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/41 "2010-04-14T19:17:30Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > You, sir or madam, are the [Edna Mode](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLDWhn8HZfY&feature=related)of the Pit (link to 35-second Youtube clip)…you don’t care about the point of view being expressed - but they better express it with style, dahling…;)😃 Exactly. > [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > But let’s be honest–you did neither (and I agree with you about the pitting). It’s easy to put down profanity, but if you’re going to abstain, then add some sort of life or color. “Um, can I have some yogurt–plain, with an extra helping of bland?” Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/42 "2010-04-14T20:50:59Z")
> [@](#): > > But let’s be honest–you did neither (and I agree with you about the pitting). It’s easy to put down profanity, but if you’re going to abstain, then add some sort of life or color. “Um, can I have some yogurt–plain, with an extra helping of bland?” You want me to get all worked up over something an actress said about a movie she was in? I’d be embarassed if I started foaming at the mouth over something so trivial. No, my saying it was a low-class remark is about as much feeling as I’m going to get over this. I don’t act outraged just for the sake of getting attention. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/43 "2010-04-14T20:57:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You want me to get all worked up over something an actress said about a movie she was in? I’d be embarassed if I started foaming at the mouth over something so trivial. No, my saying it was a low-class remark is about as much feeling as I’m going to get over this. I don’t act outraged just for the sake of getting attention. Did you accidentally click on the wrong forum? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/44 "2010-04-14T20:58:28Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t think you’re getting this. Did you want to have an insightful discussion about awards for movies, backed up with cites and statistics? You’re in the wrong place for that, son. > > But now that you’re breaking out the insults, let me give you a few pro-tips for your apparent first “outing” as it were. > > First, the cracks about being a high schooler/living in parents basement/being a virgin at an advanced age? Not funny. Done to death. It screams “inexperience”. First of all, they are almost never true, and second of all, here you are, arguing with said high schooler on the internet, and coming off as less interesting than the kid. Just avoid these insults altogether, or at least cloak them in a bit of patter. > > Second, playing up the “mature adult” angle can work for you, but you need to make some major tweaks. When you’re using that technique, you need to concentrate on your verbal venom – you’re the old guy, tapping out your pipe, quirking that one eyebrow juuuuuussssttt right, and performing a perfectly timed pause before delivering the knockout punch, as it were. You have to have the wit, the verve, the sheer killing instinct to pull this off. > > Otherwise, you sound more like a middle-aged prude with a stick up his ass trying really hard to not be like those rowdy kids that used to beat him up, talk during movies, and screw the girls he liked who didn’t even realize he had a penis. See where we’re going with this? You don’t want to be the sort of crusty librarian guy wearing the 50 years out-of-fashion suit grumbling about the kids these days. You want to be the the flamboyant homosexual giving the shoulder move, palm out, saying “See you next Tuesday, honey! Oh SNAP!”. > Third, I’m not saying that it’s interesting just to say fuck. I mean, it’s the placement that really fucking matters. But you’re supposed to be outraged, man! Get some anger on! Show us you care about Sigourney’s bullshit! Grrrr! This isn’t the goddamned Age of Sail, you don’t get to demand satisfaction and call her a churl (though admittedly, that might be better than your efforts so far). Profanity is one way to display this passion. Some overuse, true. But claiming you’re “over it”? Nope. Makes you sound like a dweebish bore. > > So, in review, you need to work on your posting, but I see the barest glimmer of potential. It will take dedication and time; a whole lotta precious time, to do it. But I’m pulling for you. Make me proud, bitch. Ivan, you seem to think I care. I don’t. There are hundreds of people on this board alone and you’re just another passing username to me. I never heard of you before today and I’ll probably have forgotten who you are by tomorrow. So I feel no need to impress you. You haven’t really said or done anything here except cry out for attention. You’d do better off getting that attention by saying things people were interested in. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/45 "2010-04-14T21:01:53Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Ivan, you seem to think I care. I don’t. There are hundreds of people on this board alone and you’re just another passing username to me. I never heard of you before today and I’ll probably have forgotten who you are by tomorrow. So I feel no need to impress you. > > You haven’t really said or done anything here except cry out for attention. You’d do better off getting that attention by saying things people were interested in. Heh, but here you are, interestedly replying to my post. Though you could have trimmed the quote a bit – it’s overlarge for your comment. Also, claiming you don’t care, and then throwing out a claim of attention whoring is sort of illogical. You obviously care deeply about your SDMB image. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/46 "2010-04-14T21:05:51Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Heh, but here you are, interestedly replying to my post. Though you could have trimmed the quote a bit – it’s overlarge for your comment. > > Also, claiming you don’t care, and then throwing out a claim of attention whoring is sort of illogical. You obviously care deeply about your SDMB image. Hi there. Was that you up thread, or someone else claiming they didn’t care about the user’s post they were quoting, and wouldn’t remember the name after they were done typing it? ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/47 "2010-04-14T21:12:07Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Hi there. Was that you up thread, or someone else claiming they didn’t care about the user’s post they were quoting, and wouldn’t remember the name after they were done typing it? Yeah, that was me. But there is no hypocrisy – many of these folks are interchangeable automatons going for the easy “putdown”. It’s not the person, it’s the poor content. Is it so much to ask that people be interesting? Shit, this is the smartest message board in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/48 "2010-04-14T22:44:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Heh, but here you are, interestedly replying to my post. Though you could have trimmed the quote a bit – it’s overlarge for your comment. > > Also, claiming you don’t care, and then throwing out a claim of attention whoring is sort of illogical. You obviously care deeply about your SDMB image. Well Ivan, originally I was ignoring you. Which wasn’t that hard because you weren’t really involved in the discussion. But you kept coming back with longer posts so I figured I should say something back to you. You’re right. I do care about what my “image” is here. That’s why when I post, I try to say something interesting or entertaining. Or, at the very least, offer a personal opinion that’s relevant to the topic at had. But if I have nothing to say, I just say nothing. Sometimes I read a thread and I can’t think of anything to contribute to it. What I don’t do is think “These people are having a conversation and it’s not about me! I need to jump into the middle of it and say something so they’ll all talk about me!” Because that’s attention whoring. And from this thread, it appears to be what you do. But that’s not me. I’d rather focus on the quality of the attention I get rather than the quantity. I know most people here are only going to think about me rarely but I’d like to think that when they do, they think of me fondly. I prefer that to being somebody they think about frequently but only as an annoyance. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/49 "2010-04-14T23:48:44Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You’re right. I do care about what my “image” is here. That’s why when I post, I try to say something interesting or entertaining. Or, at the very least, offer a personal opinion that’s relevant to the topic at had. > > But if I have nothing to say, I just say nothing. Sometimes I read a thread and I can’t think of anything to contribute to it. I’ll need a cite for this outrageous claim. I haven’t seen anything of the sort during your participation in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/50 "2010-04-15T00:14:03Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > > You’re right. I do care about what my “image” is here. That’s why when I post, I try to say something interesting or entertaining. Or, at the very least, offer a personal opinion that’s relevant to the topic at had. > > > > But if I have nothing to say, I just say nothing. Sometimes I read a thread and I can’t think of anything to contribute to it. > > I’ll need a cite for this outrageous claim. I haven’t seen anything of the sort during your participation in this thread. > [@Little Nemo](#): > > What I don’t do is think “These people are having a conversation and it’s not about me! I need to jump into the middle of it and say something so they’ll all talk about me!” > > Because that’s attention whoring. And from this thread, it appears to be what you do. Lul. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/51 "2010-04-15T00:50:37Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ll need a cite for this outrageous claim. I haven’t seen anything of the sort during your participation in this thread. Well, Ivan, that’s because we’re having a grown-up conversation and you’re only entertained by people calling each other niggers, faggots, and tards. Maybe you should go check out 4chan. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/52 "2010-04-15T01:14:22Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Well, Ivan, that’s because we’re having a grown-up conversation and you’re only entertained by people calling each other niggers, faggots, and tards. :rolleyes: Let me save you the trouble: “Weaver is a dumbass, it’s not biased” “Yeah, it’s probably not” “Also, the Academy doesn’t really reflect anything”. Done. You’re apparently outraged enough over this issue to post it in the pit. But the problem is, you’re duller than a wet sack of dead cats. And your little “maturity” shtick is just plain tired, especially given my superior and highly tasteful education and avocation. I hope you’re not that mature (aka dull) in real life, though it wouldn’t surprise me to learn you’re a professional insomnia counselor. For the love of God, man, show me some personality! You can do it! ETA: PS - the stupid high school kids on 4chan _are_ more entertaining than you are. That should embarrass you a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/53 "2010-04-15T01:31:52Z")
_Avatar_ was a better technical achievment than _Hurt Locker_, and I think it’s true that the Academy wanted to award a female director. That’s not to say they’re typically biased towrds women (and I don’t think tha’s what SW meant either), but that in this particular year, they had a more plausible woman candidate than they’ve had in a while, and her movie, while not at the same level of technical acomplishment as _Avatar_, was more of the kind of traditionally “serious” movie that they like. It was a year where they had an opportunity to reward a woman director (even if she wasn’t really the _best_ of the year) so they took it. Personally I think Quentin Tarantino turned in the best directing job, but Bigelow did a good _enough_ job to be a plausible winner. If that movie had been directed by a man, I don’t think she’d have won. I don’t think Sigourney is wrong, and I also don’t think she was looking for pity for James Cameron. _In this particular year_, the voters wanted to reward a woman, not because they’re usually biased towards women, but simply because they’d never done it before. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/54 "2010-04-15T01:42:39Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Sigourney Weaver was talking about this year’s Academy Awards and she had [this](http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/sig_oscar_voters_are_boobs_SzsJu3PnwpEzJ9GGMKmG6O) to say about why James Cameron didn’t win: "Jim didn’t have breasts, and I think that was the reason. He should have taken home that Oscar. [del]Now that I think about it, she hasn’t got much of a rack hanging off of her; maybe that explains why she doesn’t have an Oscar herself.[/del] Nah. Well, maybe a little, just because being in the Pit with this is making that vein in **ivn1188** ’s forehead throb in that way I like. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/55 "2010-04-15T02:15:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Well, Ivan, that’s because we’re having a grown-up conversation and you’re only entertained by people calling each other niggers, faggots, and tards. DNFTT. Anyways, yeah, it was a rather silly thing for Sigourney to say. Avatar didn’t win because it was _Fern Gully_ crossed with _The Last Samurai_… in space. The special effects were amazing and it was a fun _enjoyable_ movie, but it wasn’t a great piece of cinematic art. Her claims come off as more than a bit silly and self-serving, while trying to make it a about sexism is just an absurdity. _The Hurt Locker_ had the sort of stuff that Hollywood seems to love to give accolades to; it had gravitas, was about ‘the horrors of war and the struggle of men to remain their humanity’, etc… _Avatar_ was a popcorn movie, it had no chance. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/56 "2010-04-15T02:32:46Z")
> [@](#): > > DNFTT. I know. You’re right. But it’s so tough when he’s sitting there under the table, making those puppy eyes and begging for scraps. I’ll try to resist. > [@](#): > > Anyways, yeah, it was a rather silly thing for Sigourney to say. Avatar didn’t win because it was Fern Gully crossed with The Last Samurai… in space. The special effects were amazing and it was a fun enjoyable movie, but it wasn’t a great piece of cinematic art. Her claims come off as more than a bit silly and self-serving, while trying to make it a about sexism is just an absurdity. > > The Hurt Locker had the sort of stuff that Hollywood seems to love to give accolades to; it had gravitas, was about ‘the horrors of war and the struggle of men to remain their humanity’, etc… Avatar was a popcorn movie, it had no chance. I pretty much agree. Take away the special effects from _Avatar_ and what have you got left? I don’t think this is a movie that will age well - in ten years the effects will look dated and this movies doesn’t have a lot of story or character to fall back on. I was just annoyed that Weaver was suggesting that _The Hurt Locker_ stole _Avatar_’s award. It was a cheap shot that implied Bigelow didn’t really win on merit - she just got picked for the award for external reasons. First, there’s no evidence these external reasons exist. Second, there’s no evidence that Avatar was the default winner that _The Hurt Locker_ displaced - there were eight other movies that were nominated. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/57 "2010-04-15T02:38:03Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Second, there’s no evidence that Avatar was the default winner that _The Hurt Locker_ displaced - there were eight other movies that were nominated. While I agree that there’s no evidence that _Avatar_ should have been the real winner, I disagree that there’s no evidence that _The Hurt Locker_ wrongfully won. My cite: The movie itself. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/58 "2010-04-15T12:45:49Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > DNFTT. You know, I normally endorse this 100% and appreciate \*\*Little Nemo’s \*\*evenness and tone in most cases. But \*\*ivn1188 \*\*is funny and eruditer;) than most - and, I can’t deny, there is some truth to the point - the BBQ Pit does serve a purpose of recreational outrage. I mean, it’s not like you are going after world hunger or child abuse - the OP is a rant on a celebrity and movie award - a little pizzazz never hurt. 🆒 As to the OP - fundamentally Avatar represents the future of movies - if it won, it would be on that basis. The Hurt Locker was positioned as being about Old School story-telling on a low budget and the fact that it was a woman director. Sigourney showed sour grapes, which doesn’t sync up with her normally-classy image…but her fundamental point is fair if you think tech innovation that will influence the entire industry going forward is valid as criteria… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/59 "2010-04-15T12:49:52Z")
> [@](#): > > I mean, it’s not like you are going after world hunger or child abuse - the OP is a rant on a celebrity and movie award - a little pizzazz never hurt. But as I’ve said, I’m not going to fake it. I’m not going to be as outraged over a celebrity saying something stupid as I would be over people dying. And I’m not going to pretend to be outraged just because it’s more entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001/60 "2010-04-15T14:09:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But as I’ve said, I’m not going to fake it. I’m not going to be as outraged over a celebrity saying something stupid as I would be over people dying. And I’m not going to pretend to be outraged just because it’s more entertaining. Fair enough. \*\*ivn1188 \*\*- perhaps you can set up a Fierce BBQ Bit, where you can require a bit more Perez Hilton or Dorothy Parker in the OPs… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-sigourney-youre-embarassing-yourself/536001.md?page=4)