# Shut up USA **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2002, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601 "2002-06-17T23:15:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/41 "2002-06-18T04:39:25Z")
**Squish** - Of course I don’t think trade sanctions would be imposed. I suppose it’s my fault, the vast majority don’t know my style here. I use exageration a lot as a tool to make a point (my tone of voice usually makes that obvious). That one was a rather large exageration. All I was trying to say is that perhaps you’d be a little bitter because normally you’re so dominant in the sport and are used to winning - and perhaps more importantly used to seeing others lose horribly. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/42 "2002-06-18T04:49:31Z")
No way Croatia is taking the USA in basketball. No way. If they beat the University of Maryland, though, fans might burn College Park to the ground. ## Tris “You could park a car in the shadow of his ass.” ~ Geena Davis, in **Thelma and Louise** ~ ---
**Author:** ![Squish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Squish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squish)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/43 "2002-06-18T04:50:01Z")
**Mayberrydan** – OK, I get ya. 🙂 Although there are a heckuva lot of Americans who don’t care about sports, and a heckuva lot who do care, but have a sympathy for the underdog. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/44 "2002-06-18T05:06:19Z")
**Squish** - Suppose you’re right 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/45 "2002-06-18T05:08:30Z")
Just go out and get really pissy drunk and beat the shit out some strangers with a gang of your country mates. Isn’t that what Brits do? ---
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/46 "2002-06-18T05:15:25Z")
Just go out and get really pissy drunk and beat the shit out some strangers with a gang of your country mates. Isn’t that what Brits do? ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/47 "2002-06-18T06:24:13Z")
Charming, **Rash** , simply charming. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/48 "2002-06-18T06:57:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lobley \* > \*\*suddenly you can’t turn a corner without some Yank shouting in your face saying “we win everything, now we’re gonna win the world cup!” or something equally annoying and arrogant. \*\* And this, folks, is being posted by an England supporter. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/49 "2002-06-18T07:49:49Z")
**Lobley** , just stop. And some of the rest of you: please stop channelling **Krispy O**. ---
**Author:** ![freckles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47c2d/32.png) [@freckles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/freckles)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/50 "2002-06-18T07:54:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ruadh \* > \*\* > > And this, folks, is being posted by an England supporter. \*\* Very valid point there **ruadh** , we would never hear the end of it if England won. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/51 "2002-06-18T08:19:23Z")
Jesus, England still mentions 1966 every chance they get, and Lobley accuses the USA of arrogance? Oh and Road Rash, be a good fellow and fuck off and die. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/52 "2002-06-18T09:30:43Z")
You know why Americans hate soccer? In our sports, you get helped off the field when you get injured, because you’re actually hurt. You don’t fake a goddamned injury so you can get someone else off the field. I saw some American dude pull a Shakespeare in that game against Mexico. Fucker oughta have someone throw baseball bats at him until the pansy learns how to throw back. Let’s just make it crystal clear right now: _Real Americans don’t fake fucking injuries, unless you’re doing that thing that Ali did against Foreman that time in Africa, which was pretty cool._ Fuck that shit, says this Merkin. Like I’ve said before, it may be revolving billboards to you non-Merkins, but you can’t fake a goddamned [Darlington Stripe](http://www.accessatlanta.com/coxnet/nascar/text/0314_notebook.html). Welcome to America. Now stand up and get your ass kicked like a man–or woman, as the case may be. Now, we’re gonna kick the world’s ass in this pussy sport, just to show that we can. And about the time the cheering stops, in forty-eight hours or so, we’ll forget the whole thing and start paying attention to what’s important, like how Spurrier is going to adjust to coaching in the pros. _Because we’re not pussies_. Pussies fake injuries. Countries that love soccer fake injuries. Saddam Hussein pulled a Shakespeare. Sadat and Assad pulled a Shakespeare. The North Koreans pulled a Shakespeare. Arafat pulled a Shakespeare. Osama bin Laden is pulling a Shakespeare. Pussy countries and international terrorists fake injuries like my girlfriends fake orgasms. _And they all love soccer_. Pussies. You just know them fucking Commies over there in Russia are pulling a Shakespeare, too. They’re just getting us to drop our guard, and then BOOM, we’ll be playing soccer while wearing Jordache jeans in unheated apartments, faster than shit through a goose. Did you know those commie bastards are still teaching _our children_ how to play this unmasculine sport? Next they’ll be fucking with our water supply. Show me a country which has a national sport that rewards someone for pretending s/he’s hurt, and I’ll show you a nation that either needs its ass kicked or needs bailing out by the motherfuckers who know how to use their hands–us, as in U.S. So fuck soccer. And don’t call me an asshole, either. We have nukes, and we’re the only country in the world not afraid to use them. Try faking an injury after I unload ten thousand megatons of whoop-ass on you tap-dancing waifs. (But go America in the quarter-finals–woooo! We love winners, too.) ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/53 "2002-06-18T09:50:46Z")
Sofa King has been posessed by the love child of Denis Leary and Krispy Original! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/54 "2002-06-18T09:58:28Z")
TheWrongGirl > [@](#): > > I couldn’t believe it when I heard that a player from Colombia (I think his name was Andres Escobar) fucked up during a game, and scored a goal for the wrong side, and was shot when he arrived back home in Colombia. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Andres Escopbar was killed during a dispute over a parking space outside a nightclub. He was not shot when he arrived home. He got involved in an fight outside a club in Medellin with a drunken patron, and was shot. I repeat, he was not killed because he scored the own goal that knocked Columbia out. Violet > [@](#): > > Then explain to me why the pubs and hotels in Glasgow, Scotland have signs telling patrons to not wear team colors! Bigotry and Religion, more so than football. But I do know what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Tsubaki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@Tsubaki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tsubaki)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/55 "2002-06-18T10:12:44Z")
**Sofa King** , I REALLY hope you were being tongue-in-cheek and I’ve been whooshed, because if you were being serious you’ve done little to help the cause of the other Americans in this thread. And American football is a pussy game. Try rugby or Aussie rules instead. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/56 "2002-06-18T10:16:51Z")
Tsubaski, Sofa had his tounge so far in his cheek he looked like the Elephant Man. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/57 "2002-06-18T10:19:16Z")
oh, and Aussie Rules? feh. Gaelic Football is the toughest sport on the block. They kick lumps out of each other for fun 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/58 "2002-06-18T10:22:15Z")
Twisty, there are indications that Escobar was indeed shot because of the own-goal. [http://www.bootsnall.com/cgi-bin/gt/travelstories/sa/nov00medellin.shtml](http://www.bootsnall.com/cgi-bin/gt/travelstories/sa/nov00medellin.shtml) > [@](#): > > _“The Colombian defender was gunned down outside a Medellin, Colombia, nightclub on July 2, 1994, days after accidentally scoring an own goal in the World Cup,” reported Michael Lewis, who covered soccer for the New York Daily News. “Escobar, who was 27, was shot 12 times as one of the gunmen shouted, ‘Goal! Goal!’”_ There is reason to believe the “parking dispute” story was a cover-up. [This CNN report](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/world/events/1998/worldcup/flashback/4escobar.html) confirms the gruesome reason for the killing. Not that shooting someone over a parking space is any better, of course, but Escobar was indeed killed for making an own goal. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/59 "2002-06-18T10:31:28Z")
I have heard that while he was shot for the own goal, it wasn’t down to furious fans, but perpetrated by ‘sicarios’, or slumland assassins hired by drug cartels who were furious after losing out in a World Cup betting scam. The man jailed for the killing was the bodyguard of a drug lord. > [@](#): > > …officials haven’t dismissed the possibility that the slaying was ordered by mafiosi who may have lost millions in bets as a result of Escobar’s error. And questions about the influence of Colombia’s drug cartels and runaway culture of violence still hang over the team. Any doubts about that influence were erased last November, when striker Anthony De Avila dedicated his winning goal in a World Cup qualifying match against Ecuador to the jailed leaders of the Cali drug cartel, Miguel and Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela. ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601/60 "2002-06-18T11:17:43Z")
Come on **Ruadh** , don’t turn this into another England-supporters-are-insufferable. I’m tired of these snipes. If you’re going to moan about it, please try to remember just how Ireland would’ve reacted to a victory and the vast support for Ireland in England. This is how it looks to me: We’d be pleased if Ireland won, you’d be resentful if England won. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-usa/114601.md?page=4)