# Shut up, yhou stupid fucking chimp! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215 "2007-02-14T16:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/61 "2007-02-15T21:30:00Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Unless the US is sponsoring terrorism. Which, of course, it wouldn’t. :eek: :eek: yourself. It’s not “sponsoring terrorism” if we’re “supplying arms and intel in support of fighting a counter-insurgency.” Whenever the US winds up in one of the world’s sand traps, TWAT is our Mulligan. Didn’t you read the playbook? 🙂 I guess the thing is, if Iran wants to stir up a rebellion in another country, they should know we can easily do the same within theirs. I don’t like it either, but it’s reality. Sure, US troops are strained, but it’s not outside the realm of comprehension. We’ve got three carrier groups over there, increased troop strength in Iraq and ready reinforcements coming up through deployment, not to mention the “secret army” training in the Jordan desert. The Coalition doesn’t necessarily need to foot the bill for this one, though. God knows Iran wouldn’t want a devastating (albeit ineffectual) incursion like the July War, so they’ve really got to play it cool right now. If Ahmadinejad keeps pokin’ his skinny little engineer’s fingers at us, there will be consequences, either our way or Israel’s. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/62 "2007-02-15T21:51:41Z")
OK, this has turned from a slanging match into something that is actually interesting. Damn. What do we would be the consequences for Israel if Israel got involved in anti-Iran airstrikes? Would they lose the complicit acceptance of the Arab Union? I consult [Stratfor](http://www.stratfor.com/)’s latest Geopolitical Intelligence Report and find: > [@](#): > > In efforts to maximize its position in Iraq, Tehran has been angling for negotiations with Saudi Arabia And furthermore (in the context of the abduction of Iranian diplomats): > [@](#): > > the United States is engaged in a long-term process designed to convince the Iranians that the risks incurred in destabilizing Iraq and blocking a political settlement in Baghdad are greater than they might have imagined, and that the U.S. resolve to resist Iran is sufficient to block Tehran’s ambitions. From Washington’s point of view, the primary hope for any satisfactory end to the Iraq war rests in a change of policy in Tehran. Regardless of whether this abduction triggers retaliation, if Iran comes to believe that Washington is dangerous, it might come to the bargaining table or – to be more precise – allow its Iraqi allies to come to the table. I still don’t think you’re right about the short-and-curlies, but I concede that you’re less wrong than my initial take on your position. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/63 "2007-02-15T22:13:34Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > I guess the thing is, if Iran wants to stir up a rebellion in another country, they should know we can easily do the same within theirs. Actually, I’m not sure that’s true. Sure, we can **attack** them, but AFAICT the willingness of the Iranian people to resist or rebel against their own extremist leadership is inversely correlated to how pissed off they are at foreign adversaries, namely us. Financial pundit James Surowiecki had an interesting [article](http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/070219ta_talk_surowiecki) in the _New Yorker_ recently, arguing that Ahmedinejad is stirring the shit in order to drive up oil prices: > [@](#): > > Inflation in Iran has exploded, with the price of commodities like bread and meat rising as much as twenty-five per cent. […] Worse still, through the second half of 2006 the price of oil tumbled almost thirty per cent, a disaster for an economy as dependent on oil revenue as Iran’s. […] And then the Bush Administration said that it had authorized U.S. troops to detain or kill any Iranians found to be working with the Iraqi insurgency, and dispatched second aircraft-carrier group to the Persian Gulf sparking rumors that a military strike against Iran was in the works. > > This latest confrontation with the U.S. should have been the capper to a bad winter for Ahmadinejad. Strangely, though, it may instead have brought about an upturn in his fortunes. Soon, oil prices started to rise, jumping twenty per cent in just two weeks. As a result, the Iranian regime suddenly has an extra twenty million dollars or so to spend every day, a windfall that will help Ahmadinejad to placate his critics and solve some of his country’s more pressing economic problems. > > The jump in oil prices wasn’t entirely a geopolitical phenomenon—the cold snap in the U.S. was also a big factor—but it was driven in part by an increase in what oil traders call the “risk premium.” […] In the current confrontation between the U.S. and Iran, these same concerns create a perverse set of incentives: whenever the U.S. says things that make a military conflict with Iran seem more likely, the price of oil rises, strengthening Iran’s regime rather than weakening it. In other words, Ahmedinejad is indulging in belligerent posturing because when the US responds to it threateningly, it drives up the risk premium on oil and pumps more money into Iran’s coffers. So maybe a better thing to do would be to focus on the diplomatic-negotiation side, reassure the traders that we’re not about to shut down Iran’s oil supply with acts of war, and watch the risk premium disappear and the price per barrel plummet and the Iranian domestic unrest explode. Now that’s the **smart** people’s way to “stir up a rebellion in another country”, eh? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/64 "2007-02-15T22:19:48Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] I guess the thing is, if Iran wants to stir up a rebellion in another country, they should know we can easily do the same within theirs. [/QUOTE] Doubtful. There **is** no serious potential rebel movement in Iran at present, [however much the neocons might want to pretend otherwise.](http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/11/fakhravar.html) Ahmadinejad’s popularity is declining and so is the mullahs’, but opponents apparently want to work on gradual political reform instead of revolution – and nothing would be better calculated to make them all rally 'round the flag than hostile U.S. action, overt or covert. Nor is there much chance we can exploit Iran’s ethnic divisions; even the **Kurds** are relatively quiet in Iran. The Arabs of Khuzestan are the most restive, but the government appears to have them under control. See [this thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=370464) Furthermore, the situation in Iran is nothing at all like in Iraq; Iran has a strong, stable and effective government, and a military force that has not been weakened by years of sanctions. Trying to “stir up a rebellion” there would be a waste of time and money. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/65 "2007-02-15T22:24:43Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] In other words, Ahmedinejad is indulging in belligerent posturing because when the US responds to it threateningly, it drives up the risk premium on oil and pumps more money into Iran’s coffers. So maybe a better thing to do would be to focus on the diplomatic-negotiation side, reassure the traders that we’re not about to shut down Iran’s oil supply with acts of war, and watch the risk premium disappear and the price per barrel plummet and the Iranian domestic unrest explode. Now that’s the **smart** people’s way to “stir up a rebellion in another country”, eh? [/QUOTE] It sure is. Too bad there aren’t any reality-based smart people running things, eh? But then, dealing with the Iranians that way would deprive Our Leader of another “Mission Accomplished” aircraft carrier photo op, and we can’t have that. Wouldn’t want to see the presidential flight suit gathering cobwebs, would we? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/66 "2007-02-15T22:26:41Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > OK, this has turned from a slanging match into something that is actually interesting. Damn. Yeah, I love the way that happens on the Dope: two posters start out furiously ripping the stuffing out of each other and it degenerates into a rational argument. 😛 If only US-Iran relations could work the same way. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/67 "2007-02-15T22:33:09Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] Yeah, I love the way that happens on the Dope: two posters start out furiously ripping the stuffing out of each other and it degenerates into a rational argument. 😛 [/QUOTE] Well, [sometimes it works the other way around . . .](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=408348) (see pages 3 & 4). ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/68 "2007-02-15T22:37:50Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] What … would be the consequences for Israel if Israel got involved in anti-Iran airstrikes? Would they lose the complicit acceptance of the Arab Union? [/quote] That depends entirely on the kind of airstrikes they apply. If they’re Ilan-Ramon-style offensives, I think the Israeli position is fine. Blind strikes on civilian hot zones, not a chance. Barring some kind of crisis or catastrophe directly and solidly linked to Iran, surgical strikes on reactors is the limit of Israel’s potential air offensive. > [@](#): > > “In efforts to maximize its position in Iraq, Tehran has been angling for negotiations with Saudi Arabia” Seems like more of the old dog and pony show. We have named the Saudis as secondary actors in Iraq, so Larijani goes to Riyadh to make overtures to a Coalition Proxy about nukes. This is what makes me think an Osirak kind of threat is indeed on the table. Mr Bush is going to paint the detained Iranians as Qods, when for all we know they are nothing more than a group of diplomats. As for Stratfor, no offense, but another intelligence system just like it was also founded in 1996: Feith & Franklin. They’ve been marking time on this whole misadventure since the Clinton Administration. Now they’ve got a nice drumbeat. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/69 "2007-02-15T22:57:28Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Furthermore, the situation in Iran is nothing at all like in Iraq; Iran has a strong, stable and effective government, and a military force that has not been weakened by years of sanctions. [/quote] You must have missed the part about about bombing the shit out of them, arresting their leaders, firing the Revolutionary Guard and generally forking with their infrastructure. Otherwise, you’re right on target! See, the best thing about the US Mideast and Asian foreign policy is its simple, brutal message: “If you screw with the US or our favored allies, we will fuck you up royally. Just look at Iraq. Look at Afghanistan. Do you want that to happen to you? Are you willing to risk your people on a pissing match with a global bully?” The bombing of the Revolutionary Guard is simple proof of the seriousness of our threat to Iran. If Ahmadinejad keeps pushing, he will ultimately end up in a civil war. And we have the resources in Iran. Personally, I agree with former Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter who said in 2005 the US has been actively recruiting in Iran; based on his and Sy Hersh’s information by now we will already have built plenty of infrastructure and likely groomed hundreds of grass-roots operatives in Bam alone. Ahmadinejad is in a vise. No matter how he shouts or wriggles or cries, his sac just gets flatter and flatter. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/70 "2007-02-15T23:29:11Z")
tagos: All of a sudden, I agree with you. With very limited samples, I agree that one can diagnose another person. From your posts in this thread, I see that you are clearly insane. Good day. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/71 "2007-02-15T23:37:50Z")
> [@El Cid](#): > > You must have missed the part about about bombing the shit out of them, arresting their leaders, firing the Revolutionary Guard and generally forking with their infrastructure. :eek: Guh, wha’? I certainly did miss that part: I thought you were talking about “stirring up a **rebellion** ” on the part of the Iranian **people**. Not launching a full-bore war of aggression and conquest on the scale of “Iraq: The Sequel”. > [@El Cid](#): > > See, the best thing about the US Mideast and Asian foreign policy is its simple, brutal message: “If you screw with the US or our favored allies, we will fuck you up royally. […]” IMHO, that level of belligerence just won’t work indefinitely; in fact, it isn’t really working now. We simply can’t go on roaring through the Middle East overturning unfriendly regimes without having any clear idea of what to do with the leftovers. Calling something on that scale a “rebellion” would just be ineffective window-dressing: it wouldn’t change the fact that in reality it would be **our** war, **our** attacks, **our** destruction of lives and property, and **our** responsibility to restore stable government and civil society after we’re done trashing the place. I can’t really see anybody outside of the most militant hard-liners sitting still for that prospect. Not even US voters; perhaps especially not US voters. > [@El Cid](#): > > by now we will already have built plenty of infrastructure I’m not sure we’re using this word to mean the same thing. What do **you** mean by “infrastructure”? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/72 "2007-02-15T23:54:51Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] :eek: Guh, wha’? I certainly did miss that part: I thought you were talking about “stirring up a **rebellion** ” on the part of the Iranian **people**. Not launching a full-bore war of aggression and conquest on the scale of “Iraq: The Sequel”. [/quote] Implicit in the US’s diplomatic stance and explicit in my #2 to jjimm up above. > [@](#): > > IMHO, that level of belligerence just won’t work indefinitely; in fact, it isn’t really working now. We simply can’t go on roaring through the Middle East overturning unfriendly regimes without having any clear idea of what to do with the leftovers. Calling something on that scale a “rebellion” would just be ineffective window-dressing: it wouldn’t change the fact that in reality it would be **our** war, **our** attacks, **our** destruction of lives and property, and **our** responsibility to restore stable government and civil society after we’re done trashing the place. I can’t really see anybody outside of the most militant hard-liners sitting still for that prospect. Not even US voters; perhaps especially not US voters. What if instead of our sending a message to Iran, we are really sending a message somewhere a little eastward? I _am_ talking about Mideast and Asian policy. > [@](#): > > I’m not sure we’re using this word to mean the same thing. What do **you** mean by “infrastructure”? What would you think if a Chinese company donated a buttload of materials, volunteers and talent to rebuild and manage our Hurricane Zone after Katrina and Rita – isn’t that considered “infrastructure?” Also, doesn’t Intelligence/Propaganda have infrastructure? I meant it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/73 "2007-02-16T00:28:08Z")
> [@El Cid](#): > > What if instead of our sending a message to Iran, we are really sending a message somewhere a little eastward? I am talking about Mideast and Asian policy. “A little eastward”? You mean, eastward of Iran? Isn’t that Afghanistan? I thought we **already** attacked Afghanistan, a bare five years ago or so. Have they forgotten the “message” already? How often are we going to have to keep reminding them, and how much is it going to cost? Launching aggressive wars to implement regime change that cost tons of money and end up killing tens of thousands of civilians sounds like about the most expensive way possible to send a routine political “message” along the lines of “Don’t screw with us”. How long can we keep that up before we stretch ourselves so thin that we actually make it **easier** for people to screw with us? And at that point, will there be anybody left in the world who doesn’t wholeheartedly **want** to screw with us? Not even the biggest guy in the bar can go around indefinitely pre-emptively punching the faces of the other drinkers to make sure they don’t mess with him. People will tolerate out-of-control bullies for just so long. > [@El Cid](#): > > I meant it both ways. That’s what I thought. So you’re saying that the US is currently actively building “plenty of” physical infrastructure in Iran? Um, where and how? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/74 "2007-02-16T00:41:58Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Barring some kind of crisis or catastrophe directly and solidly linked to Iran, surgical strikes on reactors is the limit of Israel’s potential air offensive. [/QUOTE] It’s actually rather **beyond** that limit. The Iranians learned from Osirak. The reactors in question are carefully hardened against aerial bombardment. (We’ve been over this in several GD threads.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/75 "2007-02-16T00:46:24Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] I consult [Stratfor](http://www.stratfor.com/)’s latest Geopolitical Intelligence Report and find:And furthermore (in the context of the abduction of Iranian diplomats): [/QUOTE] It would be unwise to put too much credence in [Stratfor.](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Stratfor) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/76 "2007-02-16T00:47:12Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] So you’re saying that the US is currently actively building “plenty of” physical infrastructure in Iran? Um, where and how? [/QUOTE] There was a huge earthquake in Bam in 2003; much of the aid and manpower for the recovery and law enforcement came from abroad. There was and is much goodwill toward the US in that region. > [@](#): > > “A little eastward”? You mean, eastward of Iran? warm > [@](#): > > Isn’t that Afghanistan? warmer [red](http://www.calcuttanews.net/story/228349) [hot](http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070214/wl_asia_afp/indiarussiachina_070214140711) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/77 "2007-02-16T00:54:29Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] You must have missed the part about about bombing the shit out of them, arresting their leaders, firing the Revolutionary Guard and generally forking with their infrastructure. [/quote] **Arresting their leaders? Firing the Revolutionary Guard?** That’s the sort of thing we can only do **after** invading, conquering and occupying the country. IOW, it takes ground troops, and more than we can spare, indeed, more than we **have.** I think you are also underestimating the Iranians’ ability to defend themselves against air assault. Iran **does** have an air force, you know. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] See, the best thing about the US Mideast and Asian foreign policy is its simple, brutal message: “If you screw with the US or our favored allies, we will fuck you up royally. Just look at Iraq. Look at Afghanistan. Do you want that to happen to you? Are you willing to risk your people on a pissing match with a global bully?” [/quote] :rolleyes: Yes, that probably **is** the best thing about U.S. Mideast and Asian foreign policy, which ain’t saying much. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] If Ahmadinejad keeps pushing, he will ultimately end up in a civil war. [/quote] No, he won’t. See above. This is on the order of expecting the Iraqis to greet our troops as “liberators” back in '03. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] And we have the resources in Iran. Personally, I agree with former Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter who said in 2005 the US has been actively recruiting in Iran; based on his and Sy Hersh’s information by now we will already have built plenty of infrastructure and likely groomed hundreds of grass-roots operatives in Bam alone. [/QUOTE] I’d like to see a cite for all of that and some hard figures. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/78 "2007-02-16T00:56:39Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] What if instead of our sending a message to Iran, we are really sending a message somewhere a little eastward? I _am_ talking about Mideast and Asian policy. [/QUOTE] :dubious: No good whatsoever can come of frightening the Chinese. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/79 "2007-02-16T01:01:08Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] It’s actually rather **beyond** that limit. The Iranians learned from Osirak. The reactors in question are carefully hardened against aerial bombardment. (We’ve been over this in several GD threads.) [/QUOTE] One would think attacking the generator complex would be sufficient. I mean, doesn’t a BAD THING happen when a fission reactor runs out of electricity? Unless of course each reactor has infinite generator fuel, which is truly miraculous and Mahmoud must be the Messiah. Cut the juice, control his diesel and he’s got two weeks tops – 3 Mile Island standard – before China Syndrome. Five days if they’ve got a Chernobyl setup. What the fuck do you do over there in GD? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/80 "2007-02-16T01:30:49Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Iran **does** have an air force, you know. [/quote] Yeah. About that, you don’t seem very bright so I’ll put it in video game terms. Israel PWNT Iran AF. > [@](#): > > I’d like to see a cite for all of that and some hard figures. Imagine me poking you in the eyes like Moe from the 3 Stooges. [BLOINK](http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/050124fa_fact?fact/050124fa_fact)! [GRATUITOUS](http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8130.htm)[NOSE-YANK](http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/presentations/archives//000203.php) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215.md?page=5)