# Shut up, yhou stupid fucking chimp! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215 "2007-02-14T16:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![scottkris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@scottkris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scottkris)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/101 "2007-02-16T10:59:37Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] Looks like you tossed out a gratuitous insult in the OP, friend. Shows me that you couldn’t care less about logical reasoning. I’ll certainly bear that in mind when reading your posts in the future. Of course, you _do_ have proof that syndrome is actually applicable to the target of your OP, don’t you? [/QUOTE] Huh? Is anyone else confused by this? (ie according to this post, the OP contradicts the OP) ---
**Author:** ![scottkris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@scottkris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scottkris)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/102 "2007-02-16T11:13:46Z")
[QUOTE=Ludovic] All I learned from geography I learned from Risk. Iraq and Afghanistan provide a perfect jumping off point for Iran invasion. Let’s take Kamchatka next! [/QUOTE] Then you lost RISK, as Central Asia (or the “Ukraine—see Seinfeld”) is not a “good” “jumping off spot.” kids…teach them one thing and they lose another. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/103 "2007-02-16T15:41:52Z")
[QUOTE=Maureen] So, the idea is, we just keep destabilizing as many middle eastern countries as possible til it’s all one big free for all? And we’re the stupid ones for not seeing the brilliance of this plan. Do us all a favor. Put the Arnold Schwarzenegger movies away. [/QUOTE] It’s called a threat. In other words, it doesn’t actually have to be carried out in order to be effective. In light of Afghanistan, Iraq and the July War, parties in the region now have substantive data about what will happen if a coalition is forced to invade somewhere else. We hold all the cards. It’s brutal and again, I don’t like it, but it’s damned effective. Also, it’s not all about oil. If you look at the example of the Golan, you’ll see there’s something even more important that needs to be controlled and protected; it flows from the slopes of Hermon. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/104 "2007-02-16T17:16:17Z")
Praise be to the mods for the smackdown! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/105 "2007-02-16T20:37:01Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] It’s called a threat. In other words, it doesn’t actually have to be carried out in order to be effective. [/quote] No, but it _does_ have to be one we can carry out, and it has to be connected to the behavior of the people we threaten. We are bogged down in Iraq, and can’t effectively invade Iran, and our unprovoked attack on Iraq demonstrates that there’s no point in _not_ provoking us; we’ll attack you if we feel like it, no matter how you behave. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] In light of Afghanistan, Iraq and the July War, parties in the region now have substantive data about what will happen if a coalition is forced to invade somewhere else. We hold all the cards. It’s brutal and again, I don’t like it, but it’s damned effective. [/quote] Hardly; we’ve crippled ourselves and they know it. And we were’t _forced_ to invade Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/106 "2007-02-16T20:57:45Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] No, but it _does_ have to be one we can carry out… [/QUOTE] We shall turn your Brocolli into CABBAGES And your iPods to SHEAVES OF WHEAT! Your water pipes will be MARTINIZED And your window frames rendered STICKY! ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/107 "2007-02-16T21:04:19Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] It’s called a threat. In other words, it doesn’t actually have to be carried out in order to be effective. In light of Afghanistan, Iraq and the July War, parties in the region now have substantive data about what will happen if a coalition is forced to invade somewhere else. We hold all the cards. It’s brutal and again, I don’t like it, but it’s damned effective. [/quote] It _does_ have to have teeth, though. Right now, it’s becoming increasingly obvius that it’s a fairly hollow threat. One branch of our government is digging its heels in about sending a further 21K troops to Iraq and come this summer, the “coalition” is going to be further reduced when the UK troops are pulled. The “Coalition of the Willing” is looking more and more like the U.S. all by itself. Not to mention the outcry it’s guaranteed to generate in the U.N. if we decide the middle east is now our personal sandbox. > [@](#): > > Also, it’s not all about oil. If you look at the example of the Golan, you’ll see there’s something even more important that needs to be controlled and protected; it flows from the slopes of Hermon. I’m sorry, I must’ve missed something. Did I say anything at all about oil? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/108 "2007-02-17T01:04:15Z")
[QUOTE=Maureen] I’m sorry, I must’ve missed something. Did I say anything at all about oil? [/QUOTE] You do realize there are others engaged in this discussion? 🙂 > [@Maureen](#): > > It _does_ have to have teeth, though. Right now, it’s becoming increasingly obvius that it’s a fairly hollow threat. > [@Der Trihs](#): > > Hardly; we’ve crippled ourselves and they know it. And we were’t _forced_ to invade Iraq. I don’t see how either of you can think this is a threat we can’t carry out. If the Admin has the will, we have the manpower. Back to Iraq, Saddam’s dementia and his heirs’ abject disregard for humanity was impetus, but it did not force our hand. I’ll give you that. We weren’t _forced_ to invade Iraq, but we do have obligations to our allies, regardless of what the leftist blogs have to say about the matter. Beyond that and most importantly, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it 'til I die: an unstable Kurdistan threatens the world. Someone needed to control Iraq until it could make its own destiny; isn’t it better that we did it? Which other world leaders would you trust to stave off Turkey’s heavy-handed approach to the Mideast? In this respect, don’t you trust our American troops, and the good people of the Coalition, much much more than any other group, or single state? Flash forward to the burgeoning conflict in Iran. Consider the cheap interview on _Good Morning America_ where Ahmadinejad shows his ass. Consider that among all the other news outlets in the US, this supposed strongman set himself on Diane Sawyer. This is a reasonable, educated (and scared) dude who is just about ready to come to the table. On our terms. Postscript: one day, when this is all over and Iraq is a stanchion of peace and prosperity, the world will look on the nobility and generosity of all Americans who made it happen. And note I didn’t say our volunteer troops, I said all Americans. This is a turning point for our nation: do we protect our influence as it stands, or do we shrink our interests back to the 50+ States? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/109 "2007-02-17T01:09:57Z")
A damn fine bit of satire there, **Cid**. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/110 "2007-02-17T01:13:02Z")
How could you possibly think that was satire? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/111 "2007-02-17T01:23:20Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > I’ll give you that. We weren’t forced to invade Iraq, but we do have obligations to our allies, regardless of what the leftist blogs have to say about the matter. What allies demanded Saddam’s removal? It’s funny to hear a Republican worry about our international reputation… > [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > Someone needed to control Iraq until it could make its own destiny; isn’t it better that we did it? Which other world leaders would you trust to stave off Turkey’s heavy-handed approach to the Mideast? I, for one, would have preferred that the U.N. do it. > [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > one day, when this is all over and Iraq is a stanchion of peace and prosperity, the world will look on the nobility and generosity of all Americans who made it happen. And note I didn’t say our volunteer troops, I said all Americans. Wow, you should be a stand-up comic, because that’s hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/112 "2007-02-17T01:31:03Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Carrot] I, for one, would have preferred that the U.N. do it. [/quote] So you’re fine with another Armenian-style Genocide until the UN can get its sorry, unreformed ass in gear? No thanks. If we’re playing Pre-Crime on that whole potentially horrible affair, I’m OK with what we’ve done for the Kurds so far. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/113 "2007-02-17T01:44:22Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] I don’t see how either of you can think this is a threat we can’t carry out. If the Admin has the will, we have the manpower. [/quote] No, we don’t. We don’t have the manpower to keep control of Iraq, much less attack a larger, more unified country. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] We weren’t _forced_ to invade Iraq, but we do have obligations to our allies, regardless of what the leftist blogs have to say about the matter. [/quote] _We_ were the impetus behind the attack on Iraq, not any “allies”. And which allies are you talking about, anyway ? What obligations did we have towards them in regards to Iraq, given that Iraq was too crippled to be a danger to anybody ? [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Someone needed to control Iraq until it could make its own destiny; isn’t it better that we did it? [/quote] With our incompetence and greed and brutality ? No. Nor are we trying to “control” Iraq to let it seek it’s own destiny; we wanted to make in into a puppet state. Nor does killing tens of thousands and wrecking the country qualify as benevolence. We’ve ruined Iraq, and created a situation that makes Saddam’s rule look like a golden age, _and_ we’ve [set back democracy elsewhere in the region.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/25/AR2006102501893.html) [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Which other world leaders would you trust to stave off Turkey’s heavy-handed approach to the Mideast? In this respect, don’t you trust our American troops, and the good people of the Coalition, much much more than any other group, or single state? [/quote] No. I’d trust most of the planet to do a better job than us. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Flash forward to the burgeoning conflict in Iran. [/quote] There _is_ no such conflict. _We_ are going to attack _them_. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] This is a reasonable, educated (and scared) dude who is just about ready to come to the table. On our terms. [/quote] Why ? Saddam tried that, and it got him killed. _There is no point in negotiations with America_. We can’t be reasoned with, or appealed to, or bribed, or trusted, or shamed; we respond to sheer force and that’s it. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Postscript: one day, when this is all over and Iraq is a stanchion of peace and prosperity, the world will look on the nobility and generosity of all Americans who made it happen. And note I didn’t say our volunteer troops, I said all Americans. This is a turning point for our nation: do we protect our influence as it stands, or do we shrink our interests back to the 50+ States? [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: Killing and destroying, torturing and raping and murdering is not “generosity”. And it’s _highly_ unlikely that the Iraqis will ever feel anything towards us but ravening hatred, and any “peace and prosperity” they achieve _in spite of us_ will no doubt be used to fund any and all efforts to harm and hinder us. Our behavior in Iraq has not been “noble and generous”; it’s been greedy and sadistic and murdeous and greedy. And as far as our influence is concerned, our Iraq atrocity has crippled it. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/114 "2007-02-17T01:55:26Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] No. I’d trust most of the planet to do a better job than us. [/QUOTE] Then you need to get out more. Consider the options of succession once Saddam was deposed without our influence. See my post about the Armenian Genocide. And fuck you. We are a good people. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/115 "2007-02-17T01:57:29Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > So you’re fine with another Armenian-style Genocide until the UN can get its sorry, unreformed ass in gear? No thanks. If we’re playing Pre-Crime on that whole potentially horrible affair, I’m OK with what we’ve done for the Kurds so far. … I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the U.N. kind of _didn’t exist_ in 1917. In fact, at that point there was no international body of any sort, really. > [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > And fuck you. We are a good people. Yes, Americans as a whole are good. That doesn’t mean that our politicians wouldn’t be shitty at figuring out how to fix Kurdistan. The two have nothing to do with each other. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/116 "2007-02-17T02:00:18Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Carrot] … I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but the U.N. kind of _didn’t exist_ in 1917. In fact, at that point there was no international body of any sort, really. [/QUOTE] The modifier “-style” mean anything to you? Do I have to get mean and mention Darfur? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/117 "2007-02-17T02:19:52Z")
> [@El Cid](#): > > Beyond that and most importantly, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it 'til I die: an unstable Kurdistan threatens the world. How? Sure, all unstable societies are potentially dangerous, but AFAICT the Kurdish region was not really high on the list of potential sources of global catastrophe. Are you sure that you’re not just exaggerating the importance of the Kurdish situation, in order to make the establishment of a semi-stable, semi-autonomous Iraqi Kurdistan (one of the few clearly positive accomplishments of the invasion so far) seem more significant? > [@El Cid](#): > > Someone needed to control Iraq until it could make its own destiny; isn’t it better that we did it? “Control”? What we’re doing in Iraq doesn’t look to me much like “controlling” it; in fact, it seems pretty clear that events in Iraq are largely **out** of our control. > [@El Cid](#): > > Which other world leaders would you trust to stave off Turkey’s heavy-handed approach to the Mideast? Actually, ISTM that until a few years ago, the most effective carrot inducing Turkey to back off from its repressive policies was the prospect of qualifying for EU membership, and thus having to improve its democracy and human-rights record and so forth. Now that the Iraq situation is so destabilized, Turkey’s started cracking down on the Kurds again. So in that respect, so far from “staving off” Turkey’s undesirable behavior, we’ve encouraged it. > [@El Cid](#): > > Postscript: one day, when this is all over and Iraq is a stanchion of peace and prosperity, the world will look on the nobility and generosity of all Americans who made it happen. Hmmm. Vietnam has attained a pretty good level of peace and prosperity at present, but I’m not sure it makes sense for Americans to claim credit for it. IMO, if Iraq **does** develop peace and prosperity any time within the next quarter-century, the credit for making it happen will belong overwhelmingly to the nobiilty and courage of the Iraqis themselves, for overcoming the current bloody chaos to create a stable society. > [@El Cid](#): > > We are a good people. Unfortunately, to be good people it’s not enough just to have good intentions. You also have to be able to act on your good intentions with successful results, without causing excessive damage to other people. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/118 "2007-02-17T02:34:05Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Consider the options of succession once Saddam was deposed without our influence. [/quote] Still better than us, almost certainly. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] And fuck you. We are a good people. [/QUOTE] Tens of thousands of dead Iraqis would disagree. Good people don’t do the things we do. And we are _certainly_ not up to anything good in Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/119 "2007-02-17T04:34:39Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] If the Admin has the will, we have the manpower. [/quote] 😕 But, that’s just it, we **don’t** have the manpower. Not even to stabilize Iraq, let alone occupy Iran, which is 3.7 times as large, 2.5 times as populous, and, in military terms, ten times as formidable. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] We weren’t _forced_ to invade Iraq, but we do have obligations to our allies, regardless of what the leftist blogs have to say about the matter. [/quote] :dubious: **No** U.S. ally called for the invasion. Not even Saudi Arabia, which was desperate for our protection back in 1990; nor even Kuwait, which owes its very existence as an independent (not free, but independent) state to our intervention back then. **What on Earth are you talking about?** [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Beyond that and most importantly, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it 'til I die: an unstable Kurdistan threatens the world. [/quote] 1. How? 2. What is your point? The invasion did nothing to resolve the Kurdish question. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Which other world leaders would you trust to stave off Turkey’s heavy-handed approach to the Mideast? [/quote] 1. Turkey is our **ally,** in case you’ve forgotten. 2. Turkey has a larger and more discontented Kurdish population than Iraq, in case you’ve forgotten. 3. 1 and 2 together make it impossible for the U.S. to help an independent Kurdistan emerge. 4. Turkey has **never,** since it emerged as a nation-state after World War I, wielded a heavy hand in the Mideast, except WRT its own Kurdish minority and other internal dissidents. In fact – leaving aside the intractable problem of Cyprus – the Turkish Republic has never, ever, even come close to a military conflict with any of its neighbors. **What on Earth are you talking about?** [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Someone needed to control Iraq until it could make its own destiny; isn’t it better that we did it? [/quote] Iraq, from 1991 to 2003, was quite thoroughly and effectively **contained,** as a military threat to its neighbors. Beyond that, why did it need to be **controlled?** [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] In this respect, don’t you trust our American troops, and the good people of the Coalition, much much more than any other group, or single state? [/quote] I trust American troops to follow orders. I do not trust those who are ultimately giving them their orders, not in any respect. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Postscript: one day, when this is all over and Iraq is a stanchion of peace and prosperity . . . [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: You’re in college right now, are you? Then you are probably talking about your retirement years, if not your afterlife. And that’s best-case scenario, i.e., assuming no U.S.-Iranian conflict; if that happens, all bets are off. Pre-1991 Iraq, BTW, was a land of prosperity, if not of peace. In case you’ve forgotten. Hussein’s iron fist, cruel and arbitrary as it was, was at least able to make the economy function, provide most Iraqis with jobs and public services and sufficient food and clean water, suppress religious/ethnic strife, and maintain a society that **worked.** If you just paid your taxes and kept your mouth shut about politics, you could have a safe and comfortable life. But now . . . It will be at least another decade before **Yugoslavia** is a stanchion of peace and prosperity, and Iraq’s endemic problems are even **worse.** Have the past four years taught you **nothing** about geopolitical realities?! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/120 "2007-02-17T04:36:45Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] So you’re fine with another Armenian-style Genocide until the UN can get its sorry, unreformed ass in gear? [/QUOTE] Genocide against whom? Iraqi Kurdistan was effectively autonomous and safe from Hussein before the invasion, and Hussein was not threatening genocide against any other ethnic or national group. And what do you mean by “unreformed”? How would you reform the UN? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215.md?page=7)