# Shut up, yhou stupid fucking chimp! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215 "2007-02-14T16:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/121 "2007-02-17T04:40:25Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Have the past four years taught you **nothing** about geopolitical realities?! [/QUOTE] Look, how many times must you be reminded: Reality is irrelevant. Its liberal bias makes it unworthy of attention. All you have to do is decide what OUGHT TO BE, and firmly insist that it IS, and it WILL BE. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/122 "2007-02-17T04:42:16Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Consider the options of succession once Saddam was deposed without our influence. [/QUOTE] Consider that there was more than one way Hussein could have been deposed **by** our influence, that there were ways to arrange it that did not involve a full-scale invasion, and that we jumped the shark the day the Admin fired General Garner and replaced him with Paul Bremer. Please read the OP in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=381910) thread, and please read all of it, and please read it very carefully. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] And fuck you. We are a good people. [/quote] Generally speaking, yes. Please do not confuse our **people** with our **government.** Even in a republic, the people do not always get the government they deserve; for time and chance happeneth to them all. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/123 "2007-02-17T04:45:21Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] Unfortunately, to be good people it’s not enough just to have good intentions. You also have to be able to act on your good intentions with successful results, without causing excessive damage to other people. [/QUOTE] Where would lying about successful results fit into that good people scheme? As far as I can tell, having poor results, and claiming that they’re really good results is a pretty reliable indicator that someone is _not_ good people. Take the president’s [statement about progress in the ‘surge’ today](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/02/20070216-2.html): > [@](#): > > I was telling the Ambassador that I had a visit today with Prime Minister Maliki via secure SVTS. I was pleased that he’s meeting benchmarks that he had set out for his government. One of the benchmarks was to move Iraqi troops into the city of Baghdad – troops that will be complemented by our own troops. He is meeting those obligations. Presumably, Bush is referring to the brigades described in [this administration briefing](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070110-1.html) > [@](#): > > Q Again, what compels the Iraqis to – what happens if they don’t meet the benchmarks? > > SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, you’re going to have to ask them. Again, you want us to talk about “what if,” and the moment we talk about that, everybody defaults to that position. That also tips your hands to terrorists and others working in the country. We’re simply not going to talk about the “what if” scenario. > > Q Sure, but in a country that is tired of listening to, the Iraqis are going to do this, and they never make it there – > > SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, here’s – but you’re going to have to – you’re going to have some opportunities to judge very quickly. The Iraqis are going to have three brigades within Baghdad within a little more than a month. They have committed to trying to get one brigade in, I think, by the first of February, and two more by the 15th. When it comes to benchmarks, they are talking about, in a fairly short span of time, addressing some of the key legislative business, including the hydrocarbon law, de-Baathification reforms, and election/constitutional reforms. > > So people are going to be able to see pretty quickly that the Iraqis are or are not stepping up. And that provides the ability to judge. Yet the [Secretary of Defense said yesterday](http://www.defenselink.mil/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=3890) : > [@](#): > > GEN. PACE: And if I may, the forces are still moving into position. You’ve got two of the Iraqi brigades in – that were going to plussed up in Baghdad in Baghdad now. The third one is moving this month. So the Iraqi’s have missed the first solid benchmark we gave them, yet the president is claiming they’ve met it. This does not bode well for either the surge, or the concept that the president is good people. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/124 "2007-02-17T09:53:16Z")
The third cartoon [here](http://www.usatoday.com/opinion/cartoons/flash.htm) (you’ll have to click to get to it, since I can’t link directly to the cartoon) shows that not everyone believes Shrub’s latest tale. [House passes nasty letter which tells Shrub just how angry they are.](http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-16-iraq-vote_x.htm) > [@](#): > > After four days of often-heated debate, the House today approved a non-binding resolution rebuking President Bush for his plan to commit 21,500 additional troops to Iraq. > > The vote was 246-182 in favor of passage. Seventeen Republicans joined 229 Democrats in favor of the resolution; two Democrats — Reps. Jim Marshall of Georgia and Gene Taylor of Mississippi — voted against it. Six House members — including former speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. — did not vote. Now, if they can all agree to pass _something_ which will get us out of this clusterfuck. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/125 "2007-02-17T13:49:13Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Please do not confuse our **people** with our **government.** Even in a republic, the people do not always get the government they deserve; for time and chance happeneth to them all. [/QUOTE] I could accept that on the first go round, but I have no sympathy for people who voted for Bush the second time round, by which time they knew exactly what he and his crew were about. The majority of the people got the government they wanted. The recent drop in support for the administration and the drop in support for the war is a result of the USA losing American troops in a unwinnable war. The drop in support is not because Americans who voted for Bush the second time round suddenly saw the light and realized that destroying a country and causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of its people is very, very wrong. Does that make the majority of Americans bad people? That’s a tough one to address, however, what is clear is that the majority of Americans knowingly supported a very bad thing. At what point does knowingly supporting a very bad thing make one a bad person? Those who voted for Bush the second time round should reflect on this. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/126 "2007-02-17T18:52:51Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu] Actually, ISTM that until a few years ago, the most effective carrot inducing Turkey to back off from its repressive policies was the prospect of qualifying for EU membership, and thus having to improve its democracy and human-rights record and so forth. Now that the Iraq situation is so destabilized, Turkey’s started cracking down on the Kurds again. So in that respect, so far from “staving off” Turkey’s undesirable behavior, we’ve encouraged it. [/QUOTE] Respectfully, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Irrespective of Kurdistan, two news reports from 2006 prior to the EU’s meeting in Ankara say Turkey had actually backslid fairly universally: > [@](#): > > A hard-hitting draft report for a key EU-Turkey meeting next week says Ankara has done too little to implement reforms and has failed to rein in the military or protect the freedoms of expression and religion. > > “[The pace of change has slowed in the last year](http://kurdistanobserver.servehttp.com/june2006/5-6-06-eu-warns-tky-reform.htm),” it says, “There is an urgent need to both implement legislation already in force and … to take further legislative initiatives. Further efforts are needed to ensure full civilian control over the military, in line with practice in EU member states.” > [@](#): > > ''In the area of freedom of religion [no progress has been observed over the last year in terms of addressing the difficulties faced by non-Muslim religious minorities](http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=128408). These minorities continue to experience difficulties connected with access to legal personality, property rights, training, residence rights and work permits of Turkish and non Turkish clergy, schools and internal management. It’s estimated Turkey might finally conform to EU standards by 2015; if in that intervening time had there not been action by the US and Britain to depose Saddam, there probably would have been a Kurdish rebellion. What’s worse, if anybody else had deposed Saddam, that power or coalition would certainly hold little of the comparative clout that the US has with Turkey. So the stage would be set for a brawl between the EU and the Turks, possibly ending with a destabilization and/or breakup of the EU itself. All these possibilities are too risky for any world power to permit. The only reasonable choice was to depose and dispose of Saddam and his lineage. [QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Please read the OP in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=381910) thread, and please read all of it, and please read it very carefully. [/quote] I did. It’s total ridiculous Palast-ine bullshit, one of your hundreds of OPs literally eroding GD into a wasteland of propaganda. > [@](#): > > Please do not confuse our **people** with our **government.** I’m not, you idiot. Whom do you think are manning the checkpoints? Which people are carrying out the humanitarian, civil, reconstruction, training and legal outreach? Our people. We are a good people. Learn to fucking read, and while you’re at it, look around you at the individuals who make up your home country, you twisted self-loathing fuck. Some of you seem to forget Saddam’s state was a police state; news and information with [any objectivity was quashed and totally distorted](http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/). There had been countless Shiite and Kurdish rebellions under Saddam’s aegis, yet we know of only a few notable ones. Our government put us into a well-known flashpot. (Christ, so many of our esteemed posters have been saying that since before the invasion.) The powers that be installed the best Coalition of the best people in the world to watch over one of the worst places in history. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/127 "2007-02-17T20:24:00Z")
> [@](#): > > (TEHRAN, Iran) —A bomb exploded in southeastern Iran late Friday, near the site where an explosion this week killed 11 members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, and clashes broke out afterward between Iranian police and insurgents, Iranian news agencies reported. > > “The sound of a bomb explosion was heard in one of Zahedan’s streets,” IRNA, Iran’s official news agency, reported. The report gave no further details, including whether there were casualties. The semiofficial Fars news agency said the explosion was at a school and was followed by clashes. > > “[The insurgents began shooting at people after the explosion. Clashes are continuing between police and the armed insurgents](http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1591244,00.html),” the Fars agency said. The next morning, [Assad is in Tehran](http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2007-02-17T194226Z_01_HAF744704_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAN-SYRIA-ASSAD.xml) holding scheduled talks over Iraq. Effectively, Syria is meeting separately with Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Khamenei over two days of negotiations. Call it a shotgun wedding, but I think they’re starting to get the message. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/128 "2007-02-17T20:38:19Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] You do realize there are others engaged in this discussion? :)I don’t see how either of you can think this is a threat we can’t carry out. If the Admin has the will, we have the manpower. Back to Iraq, Saddam’s dementia and his heirs’ abject disregard for humanity was impetus, but it did not force our hand. I’ll give you that. We weren’t _forced_ to invade Iraq, but we do have obligations to our allies, regardless of what the leftist blogs have to say about the matter. Beyond that and most importantly, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it 'til I die: an unstable Kurdistan threatens the world. Someone needed to control Iraq until it could make its own destiny; isn’t it better that we did it? Which other world leaders would you trust to stave off Turkey’s heavy-handed approach to the Mideast? In this respect, don’t you trust our American troops, and the good people of the Coalition, much much more than any other group, or single state? Flash forward to the burgeoning conflict in Iran. Consider the cheap interview on _Good Morning America_ where Ahmadinejad shows his ass. Consider that among all the other news outlets in the US, this supposed strongman set himself on Diane Sawyer. This is a reasonable, educated (and scared) dude who is just about ready to come to the table. On our terms. Postscript: one day, when this is all over and Iraq is a stanchion of peace and prosperity, the world will look on the nobility and generosity of all Americans who made it happen. And note I didn’t say our volunteer troops, I said all Americans. This is a turning point for our nation: do we protect our influence as it stands, or do we shrink our interests back to the 50+ States? [/QUOTE] Dynamite stuff. Is it local? And how much for an ounce? Clean and seedless please. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/129 "2007-02-17T21:42:56Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Whom do you think are manning the checkpoints? Which people are carrying out the humanitarian, civil, reconstruction, training and legal outreach? Our people. We are a good people. [/quote] All of that is evidence that we are _bad_ people, given how they are being carried out - or not, as the case may be. The simple fact that we are there at all makes us “bad people”. At the very least, all those who support and prosecute our actions against Iraq are “bad people”. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Some of you seem to forget Saddam’s state was a police state; news and information with [any objectivity was quashed and totally distorted](http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/). [/quote] Everyone knows that it was a police state; it’s just that it was better run, more prosperous, safer and for most people more free than the hellhole we’ve made Iraq into. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] The powers that be installed the best Coalition of the best people in the world to watch over one of the worst places in history. [/QUOTE] Oh, nonsense. We are _not_ the best people in the world, and the Coalition is simply a rather pathetic mask for American imperialism. And Iraq wasn’t one of the worst places in history until after we took over, if then. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/130 "2007-02-17T21:47:33Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] Everyone knows that it was a police state; [/QUOTE] I have a nasty suspicion most of the people who jumped on, and cling to, the '_We’re saving those barbarians’_ bandwagon, are the ones who paid little attention to international relations or history previously and so have willingly soaked up all the bull they were fed by Shrub & Co. because they knew no better. And continue to be ignorant of what has really gone on on the rest of the planet. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/131 "2007-02-17T22:27:48Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] I have a nasty suspicion most of the people who jumped on, and cling to, the '_We’re saving those barbarians’_ bandwagon [/quote] You don’t seem to understand. According to our own anti-indigenous history the US is not known for _saving_ “barbarians” at all. Apparently only evangelicals are interested in that. Why are you talking to evangelicals in the first place?! I’m really not sure how we got from “police state” to “barbarians,” though. :eek: Are you trying to tell me that without a crippling police state, Iraqis are barbarians? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/132 "2007-02-17T22:37:24Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] I did. It’s total ridiculous Palast-ine bullshit, one of your hundreds of OPs literally eroding GD into a wasteland of propaganda. [/quote] :rolleyes: You’ll have to do better than **that, Cid.** Contradiction is not refutation, not even if you spice it with an asinine pun. Everything in Palast’s book, especially that particular chapter of it, is backed up with research, documentation, and interviews with inside sources. What exactly did he report that is not factual? Please be specific and provide cites of your own. **That,** in answer to your earlier question, is what we do in GD. It is also something you **should** be learning to do in college. It’s called developing critical thinking skills; I could send you some literature on it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/133 "2007-02-17T22:44:52Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Contradiction is not refutation [/QUOTE] Yes it is. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/134 "2007-02-17T22:46:10Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > We are _not_ the best people in the world Recall, I said the Coalition is made of the best people in the world. Americans are a good people. Don’t conflate these in your zeal to insult the non-US components of the Coalition. > [@](#): > > the Coalition is simply a rather pathetic mask for American imperialism. See my EU post above. Europe has a nice stake in this too. Not to mention Australia and South Korea. > [@](#): > > And Iraq wasn’t one of the worst places in history until after we took over, if then. You have a distorted view of reality. Whole encyclopedias have been filled with the violent history surrounding the junction of the Tigris and Euphrates. Any imperial adventures into what the west knows as Iraq have been met with fierce resistance that ultimately devolved into the kind of class-based retribution that might’ve made Hammurabi blush. I’m starting to get a picture of what goes on inside your head. You think our Coalition allies are lapdogs and you think Americans are possibly the worst people in the world. Gotcha. I’ve got to wonder whether there’s any place you dislike more than America. I’m going to guess you haven’t traveled much. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/135 "2007-02-17T23:07:59Z")
[Non-US Forces in Iraq - February 2007](http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_coalition.htm) ```auto 1 United Kingdom 7200 2 South Korea ~2,300 3 Australia ~850 4 Poland 900 5 Romania 865 6 Denmark 515 7 El Salvador 380 8 Georgia 300 9 Azerbaijan 150 10 Bulgaria ~150 11 Latvia 136 12 Albania 120 13 Czech Republic 100 14 Mongolia 100 15 Lithuania ~50 16 Armenia 46 17 BosniaHerzegov 37 18 Estonia 34 19 Macedonia 33 20 Kazakhstan 29 21 Moldova* 12 TOTAL ~14,200 ``` ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/136 "2007-02-17T23:08:24Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Everything in Palast’s book, especially that particular chapter of it, is backed up with research, documentation, and interviews with inside sources. What exactly did he report that is not factual? [/quote] Remember how you shat on Stratfor somewhere upthread? Well, I’m going to have to shit on “Palast the ballast” for almost identical reasons. In that thread people were trying to be gentle to you: you don’t know what you’re talking about. That’s why GD is so fucking tiresome these days. And if you were my real-life friend, I’d kick you in the fucking balls for all the links to your own threads that you post as cites. > [@](#): > > It is also something you **should** be learning to do in college. 😃 You mean I’ve got to back to school just to be able to talk to you? Jesus, but aren’t you a haughty little dick? Any views on the Syria-Iran kumbaya and/or yesterday’s Tehran bombing, or are you going to keep waving that Associate’s Degree at me? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/137 "2007-02-17T23:19:18Z")
Iranian officials said [the explosives used in that attack were manufactured in the United States.](http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/16/iran.bombing/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2007, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/138 "2007-02-18T01:22:31Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Yes it is. [/QUOTE] No, it isn’t! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2007, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/139 "2007-02-18T01:25:25Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Recall, I said the Coalition is made of the best people in the world. Americans are a good people. Don’t conflate these in your zeal to insult the non-US components of the Coalition. [/quote] America is the driving force and by far the most powerful and numerous member of the “coalition”; the others don’t matter except to pretend this is something other than an American invasion, and I doubt it fools anyone outside of America. And do you have any reason to believe Americans are “good people” beyond repeating it over and over ? “Good people” don’t invade other countries and kill tens of thousands in an unprovoked war. That is the act of evil people, not good ones. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/140 "2007-02-18T01:31:45Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] And do you have any reason to believe Americans are “good people” beyond repeating it over and over ? “Good people” don’t invade other countries and kill tens of thousands in an unprovoked war. That is the act of evil people, not good ones. [/QUOTE] You’re an American, aren’t you? Are you evil? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215.md?page=8)