# Shut up, yhou stupid fucking chimp! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215 "2007-02-14T16:42:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/161 "2007-02-20T01:02:55Z")
For one, it takes away the argument that people like you often use that the war is authorized by Congress. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/162 "2007-02-20T01:22:14Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] For one, it takes away the argument that people like you often use that the war is authorized by Congress. [/QUOTE] Really? > [@your link](#): > > WASHINGTON – Senate Democrats pledged renewed efforts Sunday to curtail the Iraq war, suggesting they will seek to limit a 2002 measure authorizing President Bush’s use of force against Saddam Hussein. Why then I seek a resolution condemning your mother’s acceptance of sperm and it will be carried out forthwith in a vote before this chamber. 😃 I didn’t get a harumph outta that guy. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/163 "2007-02-20T01:24:28Z")
Go do your homework, kid. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/164 "2007-02-20T01:30:56Z")
So you didn’t read your own link. Happens, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/165 "2007-02-20T03:26:28Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] You can laugh all you like, but that’s the view from the rural big-small American town. [/QUOTE] Stupidville, you mean. The sort of place that beats gays, votes Bush and doesn’t believe in evolution. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/166 "2007-02-20T03:59:47Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] C’mon man, these pussies can’t even sneak non-binding shit past. What makes you think this’ll do any good? [/QUOTE] Kindly note that this resolution got 56 Senators voting for cloture; that includes 7 Republic Senators, since Lieberman is so hawkish he has a hooked beak, and Johnson is still in the hospital. The previous vote got 2 Republic Senators to cross the aisle. Patience, my friend, the votes will come. Especially when Republicans have to filibuster an Iraq spending bill they don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/167 "2007-02-20T04:56:37Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Carrot] so hawkish he has a hooked beak [/QUOTE] Thanks. This is my new favorite metaphor. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/168 "2007-02-20T05:31:42Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] Thanks. This is my new favorite metaphor. [/QUOTE] Yay! At first I was going to say ‘so hawkish he has wings’ but then realized that the polar opposite of a hawk is a dove, which…also has wings. As I read on Daily Kos: “Joe Lieberman likes to be called an independent Democrat. I like to be called a sexual dynamo.” ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/169 "2007-02-20T11:37:30Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] ..Among the other motives I’ve enumerated, the United States needed a war. For many reasons we needed a particularly messy, preferably bloody war. We’re doing that sufficiently already, … You can laugh all you like, but that’s the view from the rural big-small American town. [/QUOTE] Who likely think of themselves as good people. It takes ingenuity to hold contradictory views. Respect. [/Ali G] ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/170 "2007-02-20T17:06:56Z")
[http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43045/](http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43045/) This is an article which agrees with the obvious fact. We are in Iraq for the oil. The new Iraq Oil Law is being ramrodded through the Bush controlled Iraq assembly. The law has just been translated and it codifies the corporate takeover of Iraq oil reserves. They are codifying 30-35 year contracts. No matter what happens to the country the oil companies will stay. The Iraqi soverignty is abridged. The oil companies will have controlling seats on the Iraqi oil council. The board will determine the production . Breaking the country into local oil regions. I am not sure how that will impact but it looks like Sunni-Shia-Kurd separation . It has always been about oil. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/171 "2007-02-20T17:28:46Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] > **[Alternet.org](https://www.alternet.org/)** > > Alternet.org [/quote] Forgive me for sounding harsh, but why must you use a blog entry as a cite when there are so many credible sources out there who say mostly the same thing? > [@](#): > > We are in Iraq for the oil. No, we are in Iraq (as opposed to say, North Korea) _because_ there is oil. Don’t you think we need to be repaid for the Iraqi liberation and transformation? Where will the money come from? A sales tax on insurgent videos? At any rate, if we do go into Iran, none of you chowderheads will be able to squeal “it’s about the oil!” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/172 "2007-02-20T18:05:22Z")
[US ‘will retaliate if ships are targeted’](http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Bahrain/10105623.html) [US ‘Iran attack plans’ revealed](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6376639.stm) Google Earth Coordinates of Natanz complex: 33 43’28.59 N, 51 43’35.79 E ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/173 "2007-02-20T18:20:57Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Don’t you think we need to be repaid for the Iraqi liberation and transformation? Where will the money come from? A sales tax on insurgent videos? [/QUOTE] So when a gang of vandals break into my house, beat me bloody, smash the furniture, and run off with my TV and computer, I should then be expected to pay for the gas in their getaway vehicle? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/174 "2007-02-20T19:30:21Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] We have upthread, and I’ll agree with you only so much. A “Military Industrial Ponzi Scheme to jump-start a flagging economy” is about as far as I can go, I’m afraid. I can’t go so far to believe “they” wanted outright civil war. Among the other motives I’ve enumerated, the United States needed a war. For many reasons we needed a particularly messy, preferably bloody war. [/QUOTE] Which posts upthread? Are you talking about #69? In any case, please restate your thinking here: 1. Why did the U.S. need a war? 2. Why did the U.S. need a particularly messy, bloody war? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/175 "2007-02-20T19:41:43Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] At any rate, if we do go into Iran, none of you chowderheads will be able to squeal “it’s about the oil!” [/QUOTE] And why not? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/176 "2007-02-20T19:49:21Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Don’t you think we need to be repaid for the Iraqi liberation and transformation? [/quote] No, we need to be punished and humiliated, severely. At the very least we need to lose all the money we’ve poured into this mess; it will encourage us not to do it again. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Where will the money come from? A sales tax on insurgent videos? [/quote] Hopefully increased taxes and a greatly weakened military. [QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] At any rate, if we do go into Iran, none of you chowderheads will be able to squeal “it’s about the oil!” [/QUOTE] Of course we will; it has oil too. Oil is the main reason we want to subjugate the region. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/177 "2007-02-20T19:53:57Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] At any rate, if we do go into Iran, none of you chowderheads will be able to squeal “it’s about the oil!” [/QUOTE] No, we’ll be able to point to a few [very specific instances](http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2006933,00.html) and [people](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/18/AR2007011801273.html) and say “You got us into this.” And finally have the means to charge those people criminally. We declined Iran’s concessions because our VP is a greedy slimeball. The ramp-up to war with Iran is being totally orchestrated. And this time, you won’t be able to squeal that it was due to faulty intel. I mean, great greasy goddess. Were you, like, hit by a talking-point truck or something? I mean, did something traumatic happen that you’re totally unable to address the relevant facts and have to bypass directly to spewing flag waving party line bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/178 "2007-02-20T23:22:41Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] …Even assuming the reactors in question don’t power themselves, which I doubt, they can simply shut them off. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Well, you can’t simply flip a switch, but yes, you can shove in more control rods to dampen the fission. As I understand it. I don’t know how long the process takes nowadays. Any nuclear engineers here? [/QUOTE] I’m not a nuclear engineer, but I was trained extensively by the U.S. Navy to run a nuclear reactor. All reactors that I am familiar with have a procedure to quickly insert the control rods into a reactor to stop the fission chain reaction. The control rods are typically spring-loaded, and electromagnets hold the rods up. If you lose power, the rods are rapidly forced back into the reactor. This is referred to as a SCRAM, and yes, it is as simple as flipping a switch or hitting a button. The rods will be on the bottom and completely inserted into the reactor in a fraction of a second. However, the problem is not only with stopping the fissioning in a nuclear reactor. The problem is with the residual [decay heat](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decay_heat) still being produced after a reactor is shut down. (I seem to recall that decay heat can be as much as 10% of the pre-shutdown power level, but the linked article has the number at only 6.5%.) Anyway, without a system for cooling the reactor following shutdown, this residual decay heat can potentially cause a core meltdown. U.S. reactors are built with multiple, redundant cooling systems. They are powered by alternate electrical sources, including backup diesel generators, in case electrical power is lost. Depending on the power level of the Iranian reactors at the time of shutdown, and the robustness of the Iranian emergency cooling systems, an attack on the reactor facilities that does as little as cut off all electrical power to the facilities could potentially cause a core meltdown and a serious environmental problem. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/179 "2007-02-20T23:50:21Z")
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso] Forgive me for sounding harsh, but why must you use a blog entry as a cite when there are so many credible sources out there who say mostly the same thing?No, we are in Iraq (as opposed to say, North Korea) _because_ there is oil. [/quote] Ever hear of a distinction without a difference? Because that is exactly what your reply amounts to. Besides, you’re not in North Korea only due to their lack of oil-reserves, but due to the plain fact that they can fight back with REAL WMD’s. You know, like NUKES. Which every country in the planet that is not subservient to the good US of A, should be trying to acquire right-quick. Not like there’s any use for diplomacy with your Donkey-In-Chief. > [@Cid Thick](#): > > Don’t you think we need to be repaid for the Iraqi liberation and transformation? Where will the money come from? A sales tax on insurgent videos? Repaid? WTF? For destroying their nation and murdering them by the hundreds of thousands? Tell you what, send them a blank check and put the MF who made this happen against the wall. Let the Iraqis pick their own firing squad. I’m sure they’ll be no lack of volunteers. And this is coming from someone who doesn’t usually believe in the DP. Then you can start to make amends. > [@](#): > > At any rate, if we do go into Iran, none of you chowderheads will be able to squeal “it’s about the oil!” I realize you are one stupid motherfucker, but [learn your facts](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves#Oil_reserves_by_country), before you open your anus in order to speak out of it… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2007, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215/180 "2007-02-22T00:22:06Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] It **will** change things when the Brits leave, and believe me, they will, long before we do. [/QUOTE] [Speaking of which . . .](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/21/AR2007022100201.html?sub=AR) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shut-up-yhou-stupid-fucking-chimp/392215.md?page=10)