# Sibling rivalry at its finest

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sibling-rivalry-at-its-finest/522359>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [December 23, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sibling-rivalry-at-its-finest/522359 "2009-12-23T19:45:00Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sibling-rivalry-at-its-finest/522359/161 "2009-12-30T17:39:38Z")

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I humbly offer that the number of sexually active teenagers may be a tad larger than the number of actively homicidal ones. I mean, I can’t back that up - I was a charter member of the latter group but rarely the former.

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sibling-rivalry-at-its-finest/522359/162 "2009-12-30T17:45:13Z")

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> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> I humbly offer that the number of sexually active teenagers may be a tad larger than the number of actively homicidal ones. I mean, I can’t back that up - I was a charter member of the latter group but rarely the former.

Heh, my realistic chances of murdering someone as a young teen were higher than my realistic chances of having sex. 😉

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sibling-rivalry-at-its-finest/522359/163 "2009-12-30T17:51:12Z")

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> [@mhendo](#):
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> Which, in many contexts surrounding sex and gender relations, are almost indistinguishable from one another.

Yes…ish. One implies a deliberate belittling and the other a quaint fantasy. They are heavily correlated but not equivalent.

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> No, not even technically correct. Your assumption that penetrating means “doing to” and penetrated means “done” is, itself, a product of the same narrow silliness about what sex is. You claim, in your second paragraph, that sex should not be impersonal, and yet you are willing, for the sake of this part of the debate, to reduce it to the act of penetration, and to portray women as nothing but the passive recipient of man’s “doing.” Pretty inconsistent, don’t you think?

Nope - entirely different points. The “penetration” point is strictly about the physical act (and was in reference to the previous poster’s description of the act, and was heavily caveated to boot), not about the levels of activity/passivity of the participants or the emotional commitment involved. And it is not a view I myself subscribe to, hence the aforementioned caveats. (Honestly, if I were that Manichean in my views, Dan Savage would come around to my house personally and bitchslap me.)

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sibling-rivalry-at-its-finest/522359/164 "2009-12-30T17:56:29Z")

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> [@Gyrate](#):
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> (Honestly, if I were that Manichean in my views, Dan Savage would come around to my house personally and bitchslap me.)

There is probably a reasonable number of fetishists who fantasize about this exact scenario … 😉

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