# Sick of the homophobes' stupid "Adam and Steve" line! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 10, 2003, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372 "2003-07-10T01:31:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/41 "2003-07-11T03:03:41Z")
This is the first time I heard it, and I have to admit it sounds pretty clever considering that it comes almost exlcusively from bigoted idiots. Let us not make fun of this sign (no matter how slight) of rationality and cleverness springing as it does from such poor and infertile ground. Let us acknowledge and cultivate such thought in the hopes that true intelligence may one day take purchase from this poor sprout. And hey, if you were a total idiot and you thought of something approaching clever, you’d be proud of it and use it all the time, too. ---
**Author:** ![BlueMit11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@BlueMit11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueMit11)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/42 "2003-07-11T03:03:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BrightNShiny \* > \*\* > > Homophone \*\* Homophone-A telephonic device that electronically alters your voice to be high-pitched and have a lisp as it is carried to the other end of the line. Yeah, I get real tired of people stressing the homosexuality issue as if it’s more of a sin than hypocrisy, drunkeness, fornication and so on. ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/43 "2003-07-11T03:16:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*Noah more of these Bible name puns, please. \*\* Seth who? ---
**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/44 "2003-07-11T06:36:02Z")
A friend of mine pulled this stunt while we were driving home from school. Luckily, I was driving, and we were on a bridge, and the threat of driving into the bay was enough to shut him up on the topic. I made it clear that I was pissed enough that I just might do it. ---
**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/45 "2003-07-11T06:37:50Z")
Well, wait. Before you all look at me strangely, no, I wouldn’t really drive into the bay because of “Adam and STEVE! Nyah!” But I was really pissed and he knew it and he stopped talking about it, though I don’t think he really thought I would drive into the bay. And it’s 1:45 in the morning and I need to get some sleep. Pardon the nonsense above, where applicable. ---
**Author:** ![Flamsterette\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/41988e/32.png) [@Flamsterette\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flamsterette_X)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/46 "2003-07-11T08:05:38Z")
I heard this line many years ago frm my pastor during Sunday School class. Very good line, I thought then. Haven’t really heard it since… FM, where ARE you? 🙂 Still a moderately good line, though I don’t know that I’d use it in any sort of debate. F\_X ---
**Author:** ![Kantalooppi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@Kantalooppi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kantalooppi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/47 "2003-07-11T08:05:52Z")
> [@](#): > > There’s a girl version too but I can’t remember what name is paired with Eve. Ada. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/48 "2003-07-11T11:32:16Z")
You know… I hate to do this… but I’d suggest there’s a good chance the OP is attacking a strawman. In the interests of accuracy, the argument is not, “God made ONLY Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.” That argument is properly refuted, I agree, by pointing out that God made many others as well. The argument they’re advancing is that God made Adam and Eve FIRST, and for each other; the inference to be drawn from that fact is, according to them, that God intended man and woman to be the ones gettin’ sweaty with each other. Now, it’s clear that even this argument is not remarkable for its rigor; there are plenty of flaws in it. But it’s the argument that should be debunked, so far as I can see. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/49 "2003-07-11T11:59:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lel \* > \*\*Seth who? \*\* At this point, it’s just Ruthless. ---
**Author:** ![Priam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/77aa72/32.png) [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/50 "2003-07-11T13:27:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SpazCat \* > \*\*At this point, it’s just Ruthless. \*\* Don’t quit your day Job ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/51 "2003-07-11T13:34:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lel \* > \*\*Seth who? \*\* Yahweh or highway! ;j ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/52 "2003-07-11T15:50:30Z")
**Bricker** , in my experience the people who raise the “argument” about Adam and Steve … well, half the time they progress beyond that. But half the time they smile and just seem so _pleased_ with themselves that they were able to remember that many words in a row. Now, were they mentally retarded, this would be rather more justified, but as they aren’t … well, it smacks of a certain sense of self-righteousness. “Ha!” I can imagine them thinking. “You may have your law-jick and your fakshual infermayshin, but ah got mah ‘Adam an’ Steve’ line! Beat THAT!” Of course, an unhealthy percent of them think the original Bible is in English, so maybe I’m drawing upon a statistically aberrant sample population. BTW, what do you usually use to debunk the more progressed arguments that actually bother to go beyond “well, he made adam and eve, not adam and steve, so … y’know …”? I’d like to know if there’s one that won’t require them to think … and as such, doesn’t immediately raise warning flags. ---
**Author:** ![refusal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac91a4/32.png) [@refusal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/refusal)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/53 "2003-07-11T16:12:17Z")
Bigot: “God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!” Non-bigot: “So why are you married to Tracey? Infidel! Burn him at the stake! Wait you’re not even called Adam! Pervert!” (OK, I know that’s not funny, but it’s Friday afternoon.) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/54 "2003-07-11T18:13:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > BTW, what do you usually use to debunk the more progressed arguments that actually bother to go beyond “well, he made adam and eve, not adam and steve, so … y’know …”? I’d like to know if there’s one that won’t require them to think … and as such, doesn’t immediately raise warning flags. I’m not sure any “debunking” can be done without requiring thinking. My first approach would be to point out that we do all sorts of things today that God did not directly give us… we take antibiotics, in spite of the fact that God created bacteria; we fly in hang gliders and airplanes, despite the fact that God gave us legs and no wings; we read His word, despite the fact that God didn’t give us paper. So it’s unclear to me why we place such stock in the inference that just because God didn’t make Adam and Steve, we should conclude that John and Phil can’t get together. We do lots of things that God didn’t create. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/55 "2003-07-11T18:52:38Z")
I’ll second that - what do you say to the “Adam and Steve” line? I so rarely get it anymore, I’m no sure what I’d say in response. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/56 "2003-07-11T19:39:35Z")
I’ll second that - what do you say to the “Adam and Steve” line? I so rarely get it anymore, I’m no sure what I’d say in response. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2003, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/57 "2003-07-12T06:13:14Z")
A friend working on some cuneiform tablets recently found in Smithsonian basement, sent me this. He promised to send me the rest as soon as he was done translating it. He died under mysterious circumstances. The tablets, along with all copies, have vanished. -Actually, the lost sections of Genesis are as follows- But in the midst of plenty Adam knew loneliness. So did the Lord fashion a helpmeet for Adam and named him Steve. The two men were happy together. They tended the Garden and its animals. Together did they give tigers stripes. For, they were slimming. Together, did they give peacocks tails. For, they were fab-u-lous. Together, Adam and Steve remade the banana so that non should doubt that the world was God’s creation. “Behold the banana,”, said Steve “It comes in a convenient wrapper. It is easy to peel. Its shape fits perfectly into the mouth of a man.” Adam nodded and said "Mark, as well, that its shape is also perfect for sliding into a man’s fundament. Thus all shall know the will of God-that men should put things in their fundaments and so stimulate the prostate gland which the Lord, in his infinite wisdom, has placed therein. ``` Then came the day when Adam cautioned Steve to be ``` wary of gluttony. For, Adam said, Steve’s thighs were beginning to grow fat. So Steve left Eden and went into the Land Of Nod. -This is all I’ve got so far. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2003, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/58 "2003-07-12T06:20:35Z")
Someone ought to properly KJV that, along with footnotes and verse numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Manatee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@Manatee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manatee)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2003, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/59 "2003-07-12T06:32:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Polycarp \* > \*\*Yahweh or highway! > ;j \*\* But I can’t take the highway. I’d get lost, 'cause, you know, I don’t have a Pilate. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372/60 "2004-10-31T21:35:00Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > You know, “God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.” > > Well, according to \*\*their own \*\*belief system, didn’t God make Adam and Steve too, as well as Gertrude and Alice, not to mention Ernie and Bert? > > Do they really think they are winning debates by dragging out that same tired old quote, that maybe was funny the first time anyone said it? And they probably think no one has heard it before, and they’re being so clever. Don’t they realize this is their way of admitting they can’t come up with anything new, so have forfeited the game? I thought he just made Adam. And Eve was an afterthought. They were celebate until they sinned. Sex is a prodeuct of sin. Thus we should all be celebate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sick-of-the-homophobes-stupid-adam-and-steve-line/187372.md?page=4)